Extendable batons

Haze

Haze

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I got a couple of the smaller 16" ones not too long ago. A standard steel one and an "air weight" aluminium one.
I have obviously seen them before but have never had the chance to play with one properly before, other than deploying one and giving it a couple of swings.

The small ones that I got are a nice pocketable size being about 6.25" in the retracted position. As you can see it's only just larger that a fairly standard sized light. They are a nice size to use as an impact weapon when retracted as well.
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In the extended position the small ones are 16". That did seem quite short to me as I'm used to using kali sticks that are about 2x the size. They are still big enough to be of use though and are still long enough to be used for arm locks and other restraints. I was a little unsure of how good/bad a hit from one was actually going to be as they seem small and quite thin. Having taken a good hit to the thigh and forearm I can say with authority that they can give quite a spank, even at half the size of a "normal" stick.
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Here is a pic with them next to a couple of regular sized kali sticks for comparison.
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They are obviously quite a diverse and easy to carry impact weapon so I can see why they are given to police and the like.
I realise they are not legal to carry in alot of places but here in Taiwan they are apparantly legal for civilians to own and carry so it's not a problem.
I wouldn't bother trying to carry one some where like the UK though as if you get caught with any sort of weapon you can be in a fair amount of trouble.

All in all i'm quite impressed with them and look forward to hitting my friend back many times in the future :p

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After many years of Kali/Escrima, I wish I could carry one. Unfortunately, they are illegal as hell here. However, a rattan (or heavier) cane is OK.

The 26" ASP Airweight swings best for me, although the Monadnock Autolocks offer some nice features.

DancesWithKnives
 
I think I'm going to pick up one of the larger ones too, it would indeed make a great collapsible kali stick. :thumbup:
 
With the speed of the 26" Airweight, when you hit a heavy bag with even a less powerful blow (like an abanico) it puts a really serious smack on the target.

Another speedy impact weapon is the Whoop Ass 1 stick that Newt Livesay used to market. It's based on a synthetic cattle sorting stick and is slightly flexible, like a sjambok. Not collapsible, however.

DancesWithKnives
 
I can imagine one of the longer batons being able to give quite a savage whack.

I'm am quite well aquainted with just how bad even a light ratan stick can be :p.......:grumpy:
 
Morimotom is giving you good advice. It's best to personally check your state's criminal/penal code rather than relying on just a call to the local PD (although that can sometimes be an OK starting point). Additional words to search for include "baton" and "club". If you conclude they are legal, print the statute and put a copy in your wallet for when you carry the collapsible baton. I do that with our local knife laws because they are a bit confusing and a couple acquaintances who came through the Sheriff's Dept. were taught an incorrect rule.

DancesWithKnives
 
That's the hard part. sand club is all they have then any dangerous weapon must cover everything they missed? There's no definition of "dangerous weapon" except for what a dangerous knife is. But it also says you can't carry them but they can be used when in defense for yourself or others when threated with harm??
 
If the statutes don't explicitly cover collapsible batons, you may have to research your state's case law to see if there are any decisions that define "dangerous weapons". There are several free legal research sites that may permit you to do that. www.romingerlegal.com is one I used in the past but I don't know whether it's still operational and free.

Sometimes a state will also have a collection of "Opinions of the Attorney General" on various legal topics. While not binding precedent, they are generally considered to be highly persuasive by law enforcement and prosecutors.

The information in your last sentence sounds like authorization to use such weapons in a home defense scenario, against an appropriate threat, but not to carry them. Of course, that's just speculation since I haven't read the code myself.

You might be able to find some research leads on a couple of the Filipino Martial Arts websites. Needless to say, use them for information on laws, court decisions, and AG opinions but don't rely on any unsupported advice. Always read the laws/cases yourself.

Best of luck,

DancesWithKnives
 
i've always liked collapsible batons and imho they should work pretty good, not legal in my neck of the woods though (TX), not for civilians anyway.
 
Yup, I'm growing to like these quite alot. I'v only had those ones for a week odds and I'm fully convinced already.

The fact they are illegal in many places says quite a lot IMO ;)
 
Haze said:
I think I'm going to pick up one of the larger ones too, it would indeed make a great collapsible kali stick. :thumbup:
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The steel ones make a great training tool as well. The extra weight will quickly begin to develop your forearms and wrists. I bought two of the 26" steel for just such a reason. And keep a 16" on my bag.

BTW: The 16" fits perfectly in a Maxpedition 5" Tube Sheath and their Universal Baton/Flashlight holster.
 
Infi-del said:
The steel ones make a great training tool as well. The extra weight will quickly begin to develop your forearms and wrists. I bought two of the 26" steel for just such a reason. And keep a 16" on my bag.

BTW: The 16" fits perfectly in a Maxpedition 5" Tube Sheath and their Universal Baton/Flashlight holster.
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I was having a look at the bigger batons today and they seem to be just the ticket for a nice all round piece. The 26" baton seems just about spot on for me as it's only just shorter than my favoite sticks. The only other one my friend has at the shop is the 21" and that still seems quite short and probably not that much "better" than the 16" any way.

The larger batons didn't seem too heavy either but I do use ~25" of 1.5" gauge Ali pipe filled with sand and a truck tire for putting the burn on :p:thumbup:
 
I've tried even longer batons (various manufacturers make some in the 30-32" range) but the 26" seems like the best compromise to me---especially if you were in a bus or other confined area.

I can't recall the name but I remember that one company produces a really heavy collapsible steel baton that has a substantially larger diameter than ASP or Monadnock and thicker tubing walls. It was a real beast, but I was a lot faster with the ASP Airweight.

DancesWithKnives
 
DWK2 said:
I've tried even longer batons (various manufacturers make some in the 30-32" range) but the 26" seems like the best compromise to me---especially if you were in a bus or other confined area.

I can't recall the name but I remember that one company produces a really heavy collapsible steel baton that has a substantially larger diameter than ASP or Monadnock and thicker tubing walls. It was a real beast, but I was a lot faster with the ASP Airweight.

DancesWithKnives
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the RCB.

its basically a collapsable easton baseball bat.
 
Thanks! Great to have someone with extensive law enforcement background.

DancesWithKnives
 
I've had a 16" ASP Federal for a while now, I like it a lot :)

Still a bit heavy for pocket carry though, I've often considered getting a 16" Air Weight.
 
I have been playing around with them for years and my time as a machinist has helped me create a set of weird things. Onewas combining 2- 26 inch baton ends to an 11 inch stainless bar and install the end cap stops and 'fingers' to the bar making a double ended collapsable spear. I machined a round point for one end and when you held it in your hands and spun it, it went from 30 inches to 56 in one second. I even threw it a few times and it made quite a thump into the target. Then it collapsed into itself. Hillarious in a twisted sort of way. I make baton hawks for chopper pilots over seas with a jump certified sheath for them ans they rock. I carry one now on all my outdoors excursions.
 
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