Eyeglasses

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I'm going to be getting eyeglasses for the first time in my life and was wondering what your experience was. Do rimless or wire rims hold up over time? Are the frames made in the US, Germany or Korea really better than the frames made in China? Is Italy only good for the brand name or do they make good frames? Are there brands you were disappointed in? What are the brands that you were pleasantly surprised by? Do you keep a pair or frames for years or change them every year?

I don't want to buy a cheap pair of frames if they're going to fall apart. Nor do I want to pay a premium for brand X if they come from the same factory as brand brands Y and Z that sell for half as much.

Thanks

Frank
 
check out zenni optical . com for amazing prices. found them on here.
all frames to me are the same unless you headbutt people all day. the only time mine will get messed up is if im feeling rowdy and wrestle around without taking them off first.
been wearing glasses since i can remember. i wouldnt pay money for designer glasses. they make the ugliest frames anyway. the memory titanium frames are pretty good if your rough on them like me. my biggest gripe with glasses though is the nose pads. once they lose their position its nearly impossible for me to get them back to the right spot on my nose and they irritate me all day. so now, even though i like the style less, i wear plastic with molded nose bridges. after getting my RX i bought about 3 pair of the same frame from zennioptical and that was still less than one from my local store.

try lots of pairs on, find a fit at the store. write down the bridge width, lens height, and arm length. then your set to go online and get WAY WAY WAY better prices. good luck.
 
I've never paid a bit of attention to the brand/country of origin of frames and I've been wearing glasses for 30+ years. I've never had a pair break unless there was a reason for it. Wire rims will work fine unless you're super hard on glasses. I don't have any experience with wireless ones.

While it's probably best that you get fitted at the optometrist the first time around, for future purchases you should look at Zenni Optical. You can find several more references to them if you search this forum; there are several of us who have purchased glasses from them and have been very satisfied.
 
I suggest Costco. I purchased 6 pair of Rx glasses in the last 2 years. There is a flat rate for most kinds of lenses. They had a three month return policy--this is unusual. It is not rare for mistakes to happen with glasses, including doctor mistakes.; or maybe the glasses just 'hurt'.

I went to the store and bought several frames at a time, took them home and tried them with various activities. Would I have enough field of vision to do what I want to do, etc? When I made up my mind I returned the ones I didn't want. I still have a spare pair of frames from a year ago so that next time I don't have to mess around.

Frame material matters for people with metal allergies. I purchased Japanese titanium frames for about $75, top quality.

This is one industry where I feel things can be overpriced! and the consumer may not know what he is getting. I agree with Black Hills do it in person for your first time.
 
I've been wearing specs since high school....That was about 1962. Current wire-frames are very good, they have spring-loaded temples for the most part that prevent most bending/breaking.
My new ones have the new one-piece nosepiece that's very comfortable and supportive.

I'd recommend springing for the no-glare coating and if your prescription is high enough, the "aspheric" lenses as they are much thinner. They are also expensive...
 
check out zenni optical . com for amazing prices. found them on here.
all frames to me are the same unless you headbutt people all day. the only time mine will get messed up is if im feeling rowdy and wrestle around without taking them off first.
been wearing glasses since i can remember. i wouldnt pay money for designer glasses. they make the ugliest frames anyway. the memory titanium frames are pretty good if your rough on them like me. my biggest gripe with glasses though is the nose pads. once they lose their position its nearly impossible for me to get them back to the right spot on my nose and they irritate me all day. so now, even though i like the style less, i wear plastic with molded nose bridges. after getting my RX i bought about 3 pair of the same frame from zennioptical and that was still less than one from my local store.

try lots of pairs on, find a fit at the store. write down the bridge width, lens height, and arm length. then your set to go online and get WAY WAY WAY better prices. good luck.

10x for zennioptical. I've worked in optical manufacturing for 3 years now and I highly recommend them.

There are several types of frames, each with it's own set of benefits.

high moisture acetate - this is softer acetate, often clear. when you heat it it moves and molds really easily. The benefit is that it's easily fitted to your face, but if you leave it in the sun it can go out of whack and have to be readjusted. They are really easy to replace lenses on, and easier to remove a/r lenses without crazing the coating (spiderweb fractures). Unfortunately, the plastic frame has to be thicker at the edge than metal so you will have a big solid bar cutting through your peripheral vision. often you can step on these and they won't be too far out of adjustment, but if they are you'll have to heat them up to bend them back, which probably means going into a shop. LC does free adjustments.
low moisture acetate/grylex/plastics - This is what rayban tends to use in their non-clear frames. It's really solid and stiff, doesn't really like to take a set even when heated. This means that if you have a high prescription and want a wide wraparound type frame it might not work. The lens has to fit the curve of the front or else it will pop out in the front/sides. When these break, they tend to just snap in half and fall off your face. Rayban uses solid good materials, but if you get the same low moisture stuff from the dollarstore, it will break and fall off just from sun and sweat exposure.
stainless steel full frame - these are cheaper than titanium, thinner rims than plastic, and often highly adjustable. They will not deform when heated, and will not lose moisture or become brittle with time (usually takes several years for acetate to do that so you should be fine either way). I've worn all the different types and I'm currently wearing a simple set of stainless full frames. They will bend easily if you step on them or sit on them, and it may be difficult to get them back into shape at home because of how much they can be bent.
titanium full frame - lighter than stainless and more resistant to bending. This makes them better if you often sit on them or bump into things. They are a little harder to adjust because of this, but the benefits are worth it most of the time. They are a little more expensive.
half rimless - The biggest benefit of these is weight and lack of a visible rim on the bottom. some people really can't stand the loss of peripheral vision and the big bar of material in their line of site. I've had customers bring in pairs that are 30 years old, so if you are easy on your glasses they will last just fine. Anything with a groove should be limited to polycarbonate lenses. Plastics and glass are more fragile in thin cross sections, and the edge of the groove is likely to chip off.
drill mount/full rimless - These have the hinges and bridge screwed to the lens itself. the benefit is no visible rim and it's lighter, however it's one of the most fragile types of frames. If you sit on it it can crack the edge of the frame at the screws.
grooved wire - These are like the very first type when people were still tying them on with rope. It's literally 2 or 3 lines of wire that are twisted together to hold the lenses in place. chances are you won't be able to even find them.
inline - This is a 'full frame' option, but instead of the frame wrapping around the edge of the lenses the frame acts like a rimless wire. it's a flat sheet of metal that slips into a groove in the lens. There is 0 benefit to these outside of style in my opinion, they are hard to work with and they make the lenses more fragile, especially if the guy who makes them doesn't match the frames front base curve.
dollar store - These have welded hinges with no screws. they tend to be made of lower grade acetate that is more likely to degrade with sun and sweat exposure. and the metal tends to be very malleable. chances are unless your a spherical plus you won't be able to get a set with a usable Rx in it.


as far as lens material, your primary options are cr39, polycarbonate, high index and glass.
cr39 - basic plastic lenses. While they don't have a high refractive index, they have a really high abbe value - this means that they tend to be thick but are very very clear. Abbe value is the ability of a lens to refract light without splitting the spectrum. With low abbe value materials like poly carbonate, red and blue light travel at different speeds, so you might see some red or blue fringing on things like tree's against a bright sky at the edge of your vision. not so with cr39. cr39 is not impact resistant, but it is scratch resistant. If you put it in a rimless, it will be prone to chipping at the edge.
polycarbonate - impact resistant, but not scratch resistant. They apply a hardcoat to both sides to make them scratch resistant. This means that they are good for rimless frames, and also better for safeties because they can be made thinner and still be shatter resistant. The crappy part about poly is it's low abbe value, this means that you might get some blue/red fringing at the edges of your vision if you have a high prescription. It's not just that you get fringeing, the the different wavelengths of light travel refract more or less depending on the thickness of the lens, so as you move your head it gets worse as the image goes from center to the edge. Some people can't deal with that, their brain interprets the image as being blurry and they get vertigo from it. If your like that, you'll have to switch to plastic or high index.
"poly plus" - If you get this in a store, it means polycarbonate with an aspheric front. Aspheric just means that instead of being a constant curve (like a basketball) the edge of the lens either becomes more steep, or less steep, making it non-spherical. Most places carry stock that becomes steeper at the edges - this is good for high minus perscriptions because it will basically clip the edges of the lens making them thinner. the drawback is that to do this, it makes the Rx at the edge less strong. When you take that same steeper-edged lens and apply it to a high + perscription, it does the exact opposite - it makes the edges of the lens stronger. This sucks. a lot. I would not recommend getting poly plus if your any kind of plus - unless the send it to an outside lab. To help make the center thinner on a high plus job, you need the front curve to flatten out at the edges, most places don't carry that type of lens in house.
Hi-index - This is a denser form of cr39. cr39 stands for "Columbia resin batch 39", high index is just another type of optical grade plastic resin. By being denser, it slows light down more as it passes through it, giving it a 'higher refractive index'. This means that you need less material to make the same perscription, you get lighter thinner lenses. Like cr39, high index has a high abbe value, so its very clear and crisp at the edges.
Glass - Glass is basically like high index, except you can't make it as thin because it's prone to cracking and fracturing. It has to be surface tempered which means it will likely have to go to a larger optical lab instead of being run in house at a local place. It's benefit is that it has one of the highest abbe values possible, making it among the highest quality images you can get. 1.80 index (Hi index plastic) and glass are the highest visual quality available.


With name brands, acetate is acetate, stainless is stainless, and titanium is titanium. you won't see any major difference in quality going from a 100$ brooks brothers frame up to a 600$ bvlgari. you will see a very slight rise in quality from from the 8$ zenni optical stainless full frames to the 100$ brooks brothers: but only very, very slightly. Not worth the 92$ price hike in my opinion.

are you planning on getting bifocals or progressives? If you are getting either of these, I would suggest getting a frame that you like, taking all the measurements from it (a = horizontal across one lens, b = top to bottom of one lens, FPD = from the inside of one hinge to the nasal side start of the other lens, total width = from the outside of one hinge to the outside of another), have an optician measure it out and determine a seg heigth and a pd (pupillary distance). These are very important when ordering bifocals and progressives, the magnifying portions of the lens have to line up with where your eyes naturally are when looking forward and when reading comfortably.

once you have all that, you can use that information at zennioptical to find a similarly sized and proportioned frame.


If your just going for a single vision set - thats where zenni optical really shines. for 8$ you can get a full set, frames and lenses. Their hardcoat is HELLA reflective - you will see like 3 seperate reflected glares in bright sunlight so I highly suggest getting the a/r, which costs 4.95 from zenni. Given that price range, for the cost of 1 set of a/r lenses at lenscrafters (400$) you could get 30 pairs from zenni optical. their frames are 98-100% as solid and well made as what you'll find at sears, walmart or lenscrafters. The frames themselves are made in china, so if origin of manufacture is important to you you'll have to do some research and pay the higher prices.

I've got a box full of 18 pairs from zenni optical in different frame styles. for 50$ you can get a pair for daily wear, a back up pair, a pair of sunglasses for daily wear and a back up pair. It's literally the best deal available anywhere. I know I sound like a salesmen for them, it's just because I was -8.00 since I was in the second grade and I know what it's like to be struggling financially and have to fork over 300$ for a pair of glasses when your only pair breaks. and, having worked in optical manufacturing, I know that the difference between zenni's 24$ high index a/r glasses and (I kid you not) a 1,200$ pair of designer frames that look identical is next to nil.




that was a long post o_0
 
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Do you keep a pair or frames for years or change them every year?

your average wearer will keep a set of frames as long as possible, especially when they are comfortable. unlike boots, once the nosepads and the temple covers are replaced when worn they don't really wear down or change in how they feel on the face. I've seen people wear the same pair of frames for 40 years. If you buy brand names, replacing them every year would cost a lot of money, but if you have the money it can be nice if you like having visually 'new' looking frames.
 
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okay, so it's not as many as I thought. not inluded here are the two frames I gave away to gift of sight, the 2 frames (one clear one sun) in my glove box, and the set of sunglasses in my remora. for the 15 frames I've gotten from them the total cost came to 200$. Every single pair is on power, on axis, with correct pd's (I inspected them at work). The pair at the bottom right are the ones I'm wearing now, I have 4 pairs of them (1 ever day wear, a tinted pair, and backups of each).

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This is what I meant by 'highly reflective hardcoat'. I've never seen a hardcoat as reflective as zenni's. You can live with it, but it's all kinds of annoying. Their a/r is really bright too, it doesn't attentuate the light at all, it just restricts it to the green spectrum. That does go a long way towards reducing the visibility of the glare, and is well worth the 5$.

If you work or live in a place that has a lot of abrasive dust - you may not want the a/r. High end labs like Hoya (I worked there!) in tacoma can apply a scratch coat on top of a/r, but most places like sears, costco, and LC don't. As a result the a/r/ tends to scratch easily.
 
Hey LVC,
I wish I lived near you! to buy glasses from you. Oh, the heartache and the money I have spent. I for one can not shop at Zenni. Last I looked they do not sell lenses with prism Rx. (Only after I consulted a neuroopthamologist am I able to wear just about any frame off the shelf.)

...except that I have a very wide bridge. That was one reason I thought the OP might like buying at a store. My example is that I need a deep/ wide field vision to see the music... not see under the frame because it is too shallow. He may have other specifications that are hard to notice without the frames on.

You make good points about the peripheral vision.

Do lenses like Zeiss make a difference? I often wonder about going all out on some great lenses cuz I like detail.;)
 
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I am still young, so my prescription changes often. When I was even younger, say 7-12, I wore wire frames. The last 3 pairs have been plastic, however, and I love it. I have a pair of Tom Ford frames that are my current frames. They are rather expensive (total over 600), but getting high quality lenses was way worth it. Plastic/wire is personal, but I find that plastic frames are much more expressive. I also ot transitions, which works especially well in a larger frame. Good luck, most people dont get how important glasses are...

Alex
 
Hey LVC,
I wish I lived near you! to buy glasses from you. Oh, the heartache and the money I have spent. I for one can not shop at Zenni. Last I looked they do not sell lenses with prism Rx. (Only after I consulted a neuroopthamologist am I able to wear just about any frame off the shelf.)

...except that I have a very wide bridge. That was one reason I thought the OP might like buying at a store. My example is that I need a deep/ wide field vision to see the music... not see under the frame because it is too shallow. He may have other specifications that you don't notice until you have the frames on.

You make good points about the peripheral vision.

Do lenses like Zeiss make a difference? I often wonder about going all out on some great lenses cuz I like detail.;)


custom jobs that require really specific prism, blue blocking tints, and other customizations are best to get in a brick and mortar location just in case you have problems with them. Sometimes it can take 5 or 6 different prescription changes to find out just whats wrong (or unique) about a persons vision.

if you got a simple cr39 lens that was made to really tight tolerances, it wouldn't matter if it was made in bolivia or by zeiss. However, if your getting a/r it can make a huge difference. Zeiss, Hoya, and several other companies have custom antireflective formula's and processes. Hoya specializes in matching indices between the lens and a/r coat, and applying specific types of scratch coatings to protect the a/r. Hoya also does a really awesome hydrophobic coating that you have to wear gloves just to handle during manufacturing (SUPER slippery).

For the user, the difference between having somewhere like costco run a lens in house vs. sending it to a high end custom shop like hoya's tacoma fascility are these:
-higher tolerances. Larger manufacturers can have higher breakage percentages because they have higher volume and a more consistent business throughout the year. This means that they are more willing to reject a lens if it's out of tolerance (or nearly so).
-Greater attenuation of light in a/r coatings. Antireflective coatings can do 2 things, they can restrict the wavelength of light that reflects, and they can actually reduce the overall readmission of light on all wavelengths. Zenni optical just lets green light bounce back, but it lets ALL of the green light bounce back, so it's really bright. A really good hoya a/r makes the relection look about 45% as bright as before.
-Better scratch resistance. If you get an additional scratch coat on a/r lens its all benefit.
-Custom manufacture of lens fronts. With a zero point free form generator, you can have a progressive lens custom made to fit your optical needs. LC and costco just can't afford that type of machine, or the training to use it. Free form is where a computer makes a series of say 10,000 dots on a computer generated 3d image that represents the front of a lens, you can widen the magnifying section, steepen the edges, do whatever you want. That map is then transferred to the generator and it cuts both the front and back of the lens. This is an AWESOME function if you can afford it. It's not really worth the money if your getting single vision lenses unless you've got a crazy high rx like +/- 12.00D with prism.

This isn't the case with all outside labs, I'm partial to hoya's tacoma fascility because I used to work there and I know their business practices. The hoya dallas facility is :thumbdn: by comparison. We have a custom shop here in santa maria (optical concepts) that has some really nice equipment that can run harder rx's.
 
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I have the drill mount titanium frames. I love the light weight. They are fairly fragile and one side of the frame broke a pin and the whole side piece was able to rotate. It would make my eyes have to refocus and caused headaches. I recently priced out some new ones at the fancy local optician, and with all the coatings and stuff were going to cost about $900 that's on top of the eye exam that confirmed that I'm the same prescription that I was before. I walked out and wanted to at least shop it out since it seemed so damned expensive. That's when I remembered that's exactly the type of stuff I have a laser welder for. I was actually able to weld the titanium and fixed the old ones right up!
 
Ive been wearing cheap frames for as long as i can remember, they hold up fine and ive never had one fall apart on me. Only thing important is that they dont bother the back of my ears or my nose.

Dont get the expensive ones, because youll cry your heart out the first time you accidentaly sit on them! It would be a better idea to get 2 pairs of the less-expensive ones, that way youll have an extra pair for when you DO sit on them. :D
 
On my 3rd pair now--I just go to Walmart---they have a one year free replacement.

1st pair was the titanium rimless frames--they snapped at the bridge after almost exactly 2 years--which was fine--because the lens were the coated plastic garbage and were all scratched up after 3 months. $250-$275ish in 2004

2nd pair--were Chinese made Halston frames--glass lenses---worked great for 3 years till they made a trip through the washer and dryer(they were left in the front pocket of a hoodie sweatshirt)--which was fine because styles change and my prescription changed-----they were even kinda functional when I bent them back to shape. $165 in 2006

3rd pair--wearing now--the Dr got the Rx wrong the first time--the repeat visit to the Dr and having Walmart redo them cost me nothing other than an extra week or two of waiting----glass--bifocals--Korean frames---doing well now---had them for 9 months so far. Didn't get the no-line lens as they were another $100 or so--no big deal--I'm getting old and don't care if anyone sees my bifocals. $225 in 2009

All from Walmart Optical. Those are out the door prices---sales tax and all.

One thing I'll never do again is get the plastic lenses---they are absolute garbage---glass only from now on---the glass is so much sharper--clearer--and no scratches its unbelievable---I'll pay extra if I have to---the glass is that much better. The Dr even tried steering me back to plastic--I'll have none of it.
 
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One thing I'll never do again is get the plastic lenses---they are absolute garbage---glass only from now on---the glass is so much sharper--clearer--and no scratches its unbelievable---I'll pay extra if I have to---the glass is that much better. The Dr even tried steering me back to plastic--I'll have none of it.

+1 :thumbup:

I had plastic when i was a kid, they were so scratched in the end, they almost looked milky white. After i tried glass once, ive never gone back. I dont even know why they still make plastic :confused:
 
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I had plastic when i was a kid, they were so scratched in the end, they almost looked milky white. After i tried glass once, ive never gone back. I dont even know why they still make plastic :confused:

you can run plastic on the same machines you run poly on (glass needs special equipment), and its clearer than poly. It's also cheaper to produce from the lens blank manufacturer. "plastic" is a catch all that includes basic cr39, duralens, and high index.

-1.70 high index can be brought down to 1.0mm center/edge thickness (I think the minimum thickness for glass is like 2.4mm for safety reasons)
-with an abbe value of 58, cr39 is significantly clearer with less distortion/chromatic aberrations than poly (at 32)
-cr39 is 50% lighter than glass, higher indexes like 1.70 reduce this even more by being able to be run thinner

The downside of high index is that it's abbe value is less than cr39 and sometimes as low as that of polycarbonate (33-39) so it can get a little aberrated at the edges of high perscriptions. It's an option for people with extremely high prescriptions or those who want to reduce the weight of their lenses as much as possible and are willing to lose a slight amount of image quality.

(this is a kind of stupid extreme example of 1.70 high index vs. cr39. No one would ever run (+) lenses that thick at the edges unless it was a basic safety (required by ansi to be 3.0mm at the thinnest edge. I'd say the reduction ability of 1.70 high index is closer to about 50% of what they show here:)
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Glass is also a catch all term, basic crown glass has about the same refractive index and abbe value as cr39, the big benefit of glass is that when it's manufactured with higher refractive indexes like 1.80 it can still maintain an abbe value in the 40's, higher than that of 1.80 HI plastic (30's). But, the material is considerably more dense and thus heavier. Patients who are poly non adapt can often switch between glass and cr39 without visual acuity issues.

Glass is a better material in certain instances, such as when a harder surface is needed to protect against abrasive shrapnel, and when the highest possible index is necessary for extreme prescriptions, though we generally try to fit the person into high index plastic first because it's so much lighter. If you work with a sand blaster and use your shirt to wipe your glasses - they will go to shot very quickly no matter what lenses you get. Glass does tend to last longer, but it will start to cloud up over time if it's hit with abrasive materials consistently. with certain occupations and hobbies it's just really hard to keep your glasses from getting scratched, you almost have to go through a ritual of using lens towels/toilet paper near a sink so you can wash off the grit first.
 
What I find most interesting is that most folks here can tell the difference between a $5 knife and a high dollar knife. Most can also tell tell the difference between the cheap imported gas station folder and a reputable knife. Both the $5.00 knife and the high dollar knife ill both cut paper, both draw blood, and if left alone, will both last for many years. The differences in the fit, the feel, the tightness, materials used, and the coating quality and coating thickness are all apparent. There is a large difference between a Yugo , and a Mercedes, and it's apparent when you compare them and focus on the details.

The same is true for eyeglass frames. The quality of the materials used, thickness of the electroplating, does it have a polyamide coating over the metal, what is the quality of the soldered joints?, the thickness of the barrels on the temple? nickle content? spring construction? Even if they look almost exactly the same, and differ in price by 50 bucks, 100 bucks, there is a reason for that that goes beyond markup. (most often)

For example, there is a line of frames that has a spring hinge composed a stainless steel spring, stainless rod to prevent the spring from collapsing, and two stainless steel ball bearings , all to guarantee the spring will not fail. The fit on the hinge is so close, any of their temples will fit on any of their frames with the same spring, and fit perfectly. These frames are mid priced and have a thicker than standard electoplating, plastic coating over the metal, which means, no metal touching you skin and turning your hair green. After 5 years of wear, you can still read the printing on the temples, that on cheap frames are gone within a month or two.

Next time you are looking at frames, look at a cheap one, pick it up , shake it, listen to it, does the hings rattle? Feel the play in the hinge, back and fore, up and down. Run your fingers along the temples, feel the finish, and compare that with a more expensive frame. There are differences, you CAN feel the difference in construction.

What you buy is up to you, your budget, and your taste. If you sit lenses in either frame, you will be able to see. Set them on a shelf, they will outlast you. But the better quality frames are a lot less prone to solder joint failure, hinge breaking, are more able to be straightened repeatedly, if you are rough on them. There are some name brand frames that sell because of the designer name. And some less expensive that have fantastic quality. By spending a few minutes looking at the construction, you can tell.

Look around you during your daily routines, look at the white haired folks with green lines in their hair where their glasses rest, or sores where nickle allergy is irritating their skin.

I trust you guys know the difference a cheap knife and a quality knife, I ask you at least use the same eye on your eyewear.

I have a few weeks experience in dealing in optical goods, (ok, around 1664+ weeks). I repair frames purchased online, from the private OD's, the mall optical chains, and the big box locations. I see issues regarding frames of all kinds on a daily basis, and I see and hear the frustration of folks whose glasses have broken on a friday evening, before a 3 day weekend, or right before vacation.
Take the time to observe, and then judge.

Cheers Crunchtyme
 
I usually get one pair of glasses from my optometrist because I have VSP through my work. Then I order sun glasses and a back up pair from Zenni Optical (I learned about them from a post here at Blade Forums). At their prices, I can order several pairs if I want to.

I personally like metal frames with spring hinges. I also like the spring titanium ones too, a little more expensive but they hold up very well.

Depending on your occupation, your employer may provide safety glasses. Several years ago my company had a really good safety glasses policy. I ended up using my safety glasses for every day use (titanium frames with spring hinges). Unfortunately they changed the policy and vendor.

Last Visible Canary-

Thank you for taking the time to post so much information about frames, lenses and manufacturers. It is very interesting to find out about more about the industry.

Ric
 
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