Fake VS. Real Paragon Warlock

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Cole Richards

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I recently noticed a couple of Paragon Warlock clones for sale so I decided to buy one for about 75 bucks to compare to mine.
#1. The biggest difference was the grove on the handle. On my warlock the grove is beautifully ground and is rather deep with sharp corners. With the fake the grove was half the depth and rounded and generally much lower quality.
#2. I have had my Paragon for years and the coating is still good as new but after a day of use the coating around the gap where the knife seperates was chipped to hell and back.
#3. The blade steel on the authentic paragon warlocks should be S35VN (Newer models) or CTS 40C (older models which also had some differences from the newer models and often confused fakes) my fake Paragon came with a completely unmarked blade.
 
HappyDaddy said:
Interesting. Wait, no it isn't. You could have just said "Clones suck." Or, you could have not mentioned sending money to a scumbag clone maker. Or, better yet, you could have not sent money to a scumbag clone maker. Welcome to the forum.
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Agreed. Any purchase supports the copycat clone maker.
 
Why buy what you know is a fake?
(calling them a "Clone" gives them too much credibility.)
Why use it? Did you think it might be "better" or the same as the real thing?

Must be nice to have $75 to blow on a P.O.S. fake. For the same amount or less you could have bought a real Case or Buck.
(Matter of fact, you could have bought a C&C SFO (Special Factory Order) Buck 110 with a 5160 blade, with a choice of several different covers, and had enough left over for a large pizza.)
 
I agree that clones suck, but MAN you guys get worked up over how other people spend their money.
 
Gravy said:
I agree that clones suck, but MAN you guys get worked up over how other people spend their money.
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This, and maybe some people should learn to read the entire post before hitting the Reply to Thread button.
The OP clearly said he bought it to see the difference between the real and the fake knife, then posted what was wrong with the fake. If this guy was one of the good ole boys he would have been congratulated for taking one for the team, ponying up the money and posting this side by side comparison so that others could spot a potential fake..... There are other threads that have information on how to spot fakes, there is one thread in particular that has reached 60 pages and 1200 replies.....
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Why not one about this knife?
 
I came across one some time ago; the action on the fake was sloppy—was not smooth—did not always open or close smoothly, if at all.
 
One thought: detailed descriptions of how fakes differ from genuine knives can help the faker improve their fakes. Assuming fake companies monitor such things. If I were a fake-maker, I would certainly monitor BF for just that reason. But maybe they aren't so sophisticated.
 
afishhunter said:
Why buy what you know is a fake?
(calling them a "Clone" gives them too much credibility.)
Why use it? Did you think it might be "better" or the same as the real thing?

Must be nice to have $75 to blow on a P.O.S. fake. For the same amount or less you could have bought a real Case or Buck.
(Matter of fact, you could have bought a C&C SFO (Special Factory Order) Buck 110 with a 5160 blade, with a choice of several different covers, and had enough left over for a large pizza.)
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Wait i thought clones were different than fakes.

I'm way more used to the terminology of the watch collecting world. We have clones we call homages. They are either sterile dial watches that are designed to look exactly like a real steel watch, like a Rolex of course. Then there are counterfeit/fakes which brand their watches as a Rolex, for example, but are not. Those two are in completely different realms or worlds for most watch collectors. While the homages are looked down upon and often mocked, they are not considered immoral ripoffs.
 
JayDeep said:
Wait i thought clones were different than fakes.

I'm way more used to the terminology of the watch collecting world. We have clones we call homages. They are either sterile dial watches that are designed to look exactly like a real steel watch, like a Rolex of course. Then there are counterfeit/fakes which brand their watches as a Rolex, for example, but are not. Those two are in completely different realms or worlds for most watch collectors. While the homages are looked down upon and often mocked, they are not considered immoral ripoffs.
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In the "knife world", a "copy"/"homage"/"clone" of a proprietary knife design (any Spiderco or CRK, for example) regardless of branding is considered a "fake", even if every component of the knife is identical and interchangeable. (very rarely -- if ever -- happens)
Exception: "Traditional knives" which are patterns (such as the Barlow, Stockman, etcetera) and can be/are manufactured by more than one company.
In the "traditional knife world" it is only considered a "fake" if the company that makes the knife uses another company's name without being licensed or contracted to do so.
Extreme "never" happen example: Case, GEC, Utica, or Colonial, made a knife and brand them with for example, one of the currently unused Schrade brands, such as (but not limited to) IMPCO, Hammer Brand, Ulster, KNKC/New York Knife Company, and Frontier, without a contract to make them, or being licensed to use that name. Those knives would be fakes because of the branding, not because of the style/pattern made. Yes, those fakes would also be loathed, no matter how good they are, or the price point.
 
afishhunter said:
In the "knife world", a "copy"/"homage"/"clone" of a proprietary knife design (any Spiderco or CRK, for example) regardless of branding is considered a "fake", even if every component of the knife is identical and interchangeable. (very rarely -- if ever -- happens)
Exception: "Traditional knives" which are patterns (such as the Barlow, Stockman, etcetera) and can be/are manufactured by more than one company.
In the "traditional knife world" it is only considered a "fake" if the company that makes the knife uses another company's name without being licensed or contracted to do so.
Extreme "never" happen example: Case, GEC, Utica, or Colonial, made a knife and brand them with for example, one of the currently unused Schrade brands, such as (but not limited to) IMPCO, Hammer Brand, Ulster, KNKC/New York Knife Company, and Frontier, without a contract to make them, or being licensed to use that name. Those knives would be fakes because of the branding, not because of the style/pattern made. Yes, those fakes would also be loathed, no matter how good they are, or the price point.
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Odd, and not something I'll ever get on board with. I'll stick with my watch world lines and rules, they make way more sense morally and intellectually to me.
 
The ‘Takeaway”? Don’t mix apples and oranges. Not many watches can cut a nice piece of pie.
 
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