Gedd, thanks. I would like to see your Camillus jumbo trapper. I don't understand what's up with the Forum email. I did the same with 300Bucks and I guess it never made it to him. It's hit and miss. Mine is working as I received one from TAH 2 days ago. So, keep trying. We have raised chicks for meat birds since 1995 and retain some layers as needed. It's a easy, fun project and requires a space no bigger than a single car garage. With a brooder house to raise some great tasting, fine quality meat for your household. Enough for the entire year. My Grandparents taught me this, my Father continued it and I want to pass the knowledge along to my offspring. Chicken keeps well in the freezer or canned. It may be fried, baked, boiled and boned for a casserole. Or grilled and boiled in soup. Add noodles or potatoes with bread and crackers and you have a easy, quick meal. That everyone will enjoy. Home grown right out your backdoor and process with a good Buck knife. No other tools required. DM