Fastest deployment

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dePaul

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What would you consider being the fastest knife out there; the one with Axis lock, DA, gravity blade, stilleto???

My own experience is that my Spyderco Military is the fastest one!?!?!

Don´t have to search for the tiny trigger, don´t have to look for that little knob on the handle, just swing it out!

Regards!
 
I hear waved Emersons are fast. I just know some joker is going to tell you to get a fixed blade though.
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I might as well be that fixed blade joker.
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FBs aside though, in my experience, the Commander is the fastest deploying folder.

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Try a Military in a neck sheath. I bet it's as fast as the Commander if not faster. Just grab at the hole and pull and the Spyder Drop is instantaneous in execution.

And if you carry a Military you have a quality blade
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Your'e kidding right?

The Commander is by far the fastest FOLDER on the market today. Fixed blades are a different story.

Tique,
The Military in a neck carry sheath is quick, but you generally have to slightly re-position your grip after drawing. You also may not want to go around advertising that you are wearing a large knife around your neck all of the time.

The Commander on the other hand is perfectly positioned in the hand upon drawing and it only rides slightly high in a pocket carry mode. Now, if Emerson would come out with a Commander with a Rolling lock or an Axis lock instead of the "iffy" Liner lock, he just may have the best defensive carry knife of all time.

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Emerson Commander, hands down the fastest. It makes peoples eyes bug out when you open it.

(Actually I should say anything from Emerson with a wave, but the Commander smokes)

John

[This message has been edited by John Hollister (edited 03-11-2001).]
 
I carry the Commander. It is BY FAR the fastest knife I have ever carried for a folder. Fastest fixed blade? REKAT Warrior for me.

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The Military/neck sheath works almost as fast under a shirt as outside the shirt, and the grip repositions very quickly, just tap it on your stomach/belt/whatever as you draw it and you are good to go. This just takes a good bit more practice than the Commander.
That and the fact that I generally dislike the knives made by Emerson, cause me to argue the point.
YMMV
 
out of all my knives the quickest to deploy is my BM AFCK - just a simple flick of the wrist and its open.............and #2 would be my emerson CQC-7 - the action on the BM is just a little smoother IMHO - i dont care about waves, axis locks, etc - just flick the darned thing open w/your wrist..........
 
I have not seen any other pocket clipped folder that has any mechanism that can OPEN its blade quicker than the Commander. That beng said, DEPLOYMENT of the knife itself, getting it out of the pocket, opening the blade and going into the on guard position is a seperate situation altogether...

But of course the fastest deployment hands down is when the blade is already in the hand...
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Hey Guys..

I may as well jump in here and say that my pair of Spyderco Jots are At Least as Fast if not Faster,,and they Don't tear up my pockets...

ttyle

Eric...

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I'd pit my Sifu with the belt-slide kydex sheath I designed against any folder out there, if it's a "draw and slash a target" contest.

Jim
 
When I went in the Marine Corps, after testing, they told me I was substantially subnormal in mechanical aptitude and spacial concepts. Enuff so, they said I qualified for virtually every MOS except mechanic.

Having said that, must also say that all the folders I've purchased so far are tip down types. Have never held a tip up. Can't figure out how one would grasp the bloody thing in the pocket without reaching nearly to the far end of the knife.

Sorry, but don't know if the Commander is tip up/tip down, but am assuming it must be tip up if one can grasp it in the pocket in a perfect position that requires no adjustment after opening. So please, tell me how it is done. I'm sorry, but I can't figure it out for the life of me.

By the bye, ever since reading the Tactical Knives article on the knife course at Sig Sauer, have been reasonably convinced that holding folders "upside down" makes a lot of sense. With my M16, using the flipper and sort of a wrist snap, and needing only a tiny adjustment of my grip to hold it upside down, I think I can deploy it a lot faster than most folders out there.

Bugs

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Bugs, picture this.
You're ready to present the knife from the pocket. On a tip-down knife, your thumb goes into the pocket behind the pivot, and your index finger on the other side (clip). You pull straight up, and swivel the knife into your hand. You then reverse directions to open the blade (assuming you're using inertia to open the blade) or simply use your thumb on the stud/hole/disc/whichever to open it.

With a tip-up knife, you're not grabbing the pivot end. The thumb goes into the pocket behind the knife, while (for me) the middle finger pulls on the rear of the handle. The knife comes out in your hand. As you pull up and out, you can open the blade same as the tip-down (inertia or opening device).
No need to swivel the knife into your grasp, and no reversing directions to get momentum on your side while opening the blade, because it's already going in the "right" direction.
Much more natural, much simpler, IMO.

The Emerson Wave takes the tip-up opening a step further by eliminating the need to open the blade (opens by itself). With my Commander, the thumb goes behind the knife, the middle finger grabs the butt, a tug upwards, and voila! an open knife in your hand-like magic
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Gentlemen, I have to go with the Emerson Waved folders but the Ralph Mad Max and Szabo RAD are not to be denied. Perhaps the Onion Speedsafe can be factored in.

However, the Military has been the fastest folder for me though I have tried an Emerson CQC-7 w/ Wave.

I've also seen, the Wave opening, Jim do his "rolling lock swing", and myself draw an small to medium sized FB in one night. Perceptually the speed difference was really minute, each method very vaild. I will say the FB had a slight edge due to the path it travels to the target.

I will also say that the Wave opening has NOT been fully explored on the net IMO. My take is that the Wave will open the knife halfway and it's up to the user to decide how the rest of the opening will go.
 
Thanks, OwenM. Really appreciate the quick response.

I think I've got it, from your description.

WAIT! Just remembered that I got a POS Endura/Delica knockoff when I placed an order with an on-line seller. It has tip-up format.

As I mentioned in my earlier post, it seems to me that the hand has to go awfully deep into the pocket in order to grasp the knife, as opposed to just going in an inch or so on the tip down carry. A medication I've been taking for the last 18 mos has turned me from a lifetime of relative skinniness to a "moderately obese" person. My pockets are tight! I'll have to practice with my M16 and the POS tomorrow, and see which I can clear out of my pocket quickest.

In my practice with the M16, have developed a pretty high elbow approach. This allows me to remove knife in inclined upward curve towards straight arm position. I'm hitting the flipper as I clear the target, and when I hear the click, am doing the slight shift necessary for the upside down hammer grip.

I think Jim March had a good point when he suggested that the ability to make either a slash -- or stab, IMO -- with the knife is a more realistic viewpoint of significant speed, than simply getting the blade out of the handle.

One of the funny things about this subject, and of course it could have exactly the opposite of the desired effect, is that I think it owuld be hilarious for knifeknuts to demonstrate to our elected representatives that the speed of opening autos isn't up there with several standard folders. Might get the law against the autos eliminated -- or all folders except slip joints.
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Personally, I don't believe that the millisecond differences we're discussing here are likely to make much difference in reality. If one is keeping others at a realistic distance, then there should be time to get a blade into readiness for action. We also have to face the fact that some folks are just an awful lot quicker than others. I remember reading that once Doc Holliday got into a scrape at a card table. Another guy moved towards his inside the vest handgun. Holliday reached into a coat pocket, pulled out a folder, opened it, stood up, leaned over the table and slit the other guy's throat before he could ever clear leather! (Sorry, but many years since reading that, haven't the foggiest notion when/where.)

Bugs

 
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I agree with you on almost every point. However, the fact is that there is not always that much space!

Like when I once was attacked at a local pub. The room was so crowded that the only thing I was able to do was to reach out for the other guys hand and twist it, until he dropped the knife.

I was extremely lucky being stronger than him otherwise it could have ended bad...But maybe, if I had been carrying a knife, it would have been enough just to scare him off and no physical contact would´ve been necessary. I don´t know...

 
First, please dont forget the Carson - Flipper!

But second, this reminds me to the "who is the fastest gunman in town"?:
of course the one with the gun in his hand!

No folder is fast enough when you get surprised!




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