Fixed Blade carry in Virginia

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I normally carry a 3.5 inch blade for EDC purposes and I realized many of these would be much easier with a fixed blade knife instead of my folder. I was wondering if it was lawfull to carry a fixed blade knife is the state of Virginia. I know there is no limit on blade size in folders but I can't find anything that tells me if a fixed blade is legal or not. Thanks
BenLankford
 
To my knowledge, there is no prescribed blade length for either a fixed or folder in Virginia. Here is a portion of the relevant CCW statute:

§ 18.2-308. Personal protection; carrying concealed weapons; when lawful to carry
If any person carries about his person, hidden from common observation, (i) any pistol, revolver, or other weapon designed or intended to propel a missile of any kind by action of an explosion of any combustible material; (ii) any dirk, bowie knife, switchblade knife, ballistic knife, machete, razor, slingshot, spring stick, metal knucks, or blackjack; (iii) any flailing instrument consisting of two or more rigid parts connected in such a manner as to allow them to swing freely, which may be known as a nun chahka, nun chuck, nunchaku, shuriken, or fighting chain; (iv) any disc, of whatever configuration, having at least two points or pointed blades which is designed to be thrown or propelled and which may be known as a throwing star or oriental dart; or (v) any weapon of like kind as those enumerated in this subsection, he shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.


Case law does provide some guidance on the above statute with respect to a fixed blade. See Gilliam v. Com., 49 Va.App. 508, 642 S.E.2d 774, (2007), which provides in part:

“n order to be a ‘weapon’ within the definition of ‘weapon of like kind,’ the item must be designed for fighting purposes or commonly understood to be a ‘weapon.’ ” Id. Once the item is determined to be a weapon, it must then be determined if the item possesses similar characteristics to the enumerated items in Code § 18.2-308(A), thus, making its concealment prohibited. Id.

To be a “weapon of like kind,” the knife must first be a weapon. Generally, a weapon is “[a]n instrument of offensive or defensive combat: something to fight with.” Delcid, 32 Va.App. at 18, 526 S.E.2d at 275 (citing Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary 1326 (1977)). Because a bladed instrument may be “possessed and used for non-aggressive as well as aggressive purposes,” determining whether the knife “is an implement or a weapon requires consideration not only of the physical character of the instrument itself, but also of the circumstances surrounding its possession and use.” Id. at 19, 526 S.E.2d at 275. Although the purpose for carrying the knife is irrelevant under Code §§ 18.2-308(A) and 18.2-308.2, “that purpose is one of the defining characteristics of the item in question.” Id.

Here, as shown, the knife in question has a 6-inch blade and a 5 1/2-inch handle. The blade has one dull, straight edge, and one sharp edge. Both edges come to a sharp point. The knife contains the inscription “MCR-11 Handmade” on one side, and “Taylor/Seto Surgical Japan” on the other. The knife does not fold to cover the blade. Rather, a leather sheath protects the blade. The knife is clearly not an “innocuous household [knife or an] industrial kni[fe] which may be carried for legitimate purposes.” Richards, 18 Va.App. at 246 n. 2, 443 S.E.2d at 179 n. 2. Nor is it an implement possessed for “non-aggressive” purposes. See generally Delcid, 32 Va.App. at 19, 526 S.E.2d at 275. Moreover, Gilliam did not possess this item during the day at a job site. Instead, the knife was found in his possession after he was arrested for public intoxication around ten o'clock at night. And although Gilliam testified that he used the knife for construction, the trial court found this testimony incredible. Thus, we hold that there is sufficient evidence to support the conclusion that the knife in question is a weapon.
 
I know for a fact that there is no limit for folders I am wondering if it is legal to carry a fixed blade at all.
 
The term "bowie knife" (which are illegal in VA to carry concealed) is often applied as a blanket term to fixed blades by police officers. I know in many states police officers, when they find a fixed blade, will immediately start calling it a bowie in all of their reports and testimony. And they do this even if it's a kitchen knife.

But when the day comes it court, it has to pass the legal standard already mentioned by jurisprudence above. If it is a combat-oriented knife and the context suggests it is carried with intent as a weapon (like being punk out at 2 am), it is illegal to carry concealed. If it a work knife and there is a plausible context suggesting it is used as such (such as being at work at a blue-collar job) then it is legal.

EDC is a hard purpose to justify because cops and judges just don't understand. If you carry for this purpose, make sure it is a bland and very utilitarian knife. And that your behavior does not tend to make police want to search you in the first place.

Note it is not illegal to carry any fixed blade openly. But it is not advisable to do this downtown or at the grocery store.
 
Note it is not illegal to carry any fixed blade openly. But it is not advisable to do this downtown or at the grocery store.

Why not? I openly carry a neck knife routinely and have never had any reaction from law enforcement, not even during a traffic stop. Of course, I live in SW VA, where attitudes are a bit more reasonable.
 
Why not? I openly carry a neck knife routinely and have never had any reaction from law enforcement, not even during a traffic stop. Of course, I live in SW VA, where attitudes are a bit more reasonable.

Just sayin'. The individual is in a better position to gauge their local police's perceptions that any of us on this forum.
 
I love southern Viginia in general. People are much nicer and understanding. I live near DC so everybody thinks I just carry a knife as a weapon. And the only fixed blade I do have right now that is in decent condition is a Bowie knife. So I guess I'll wait untill I buy a new one or maybe make one with the steel my dad and I bought.
 
Why not? I openly carry a neck knife routinely and have never had any reaction from law enforcement, not even during a traffic stop. Of course, I live in SW VA, where attitudes are a bit more reasonable.

I carry a sheath knife openly when working on my farm. In fact adding a knife to my belt is part of getting dressed in the morning when I am going to be working on my land. Sometimes I will forget and wear it to the store later in the day when I buy some groceries. In the local convenience store when buying gas, or getting a paper, or in the local supermarket where I buy food, I am known as a local farmer and therefore not viewed as someone not likely to stick up the cashier, so this does not cause a problem. However, I know not to wear it to the mall in Winchester as their security guards freak when someone has a simple leatherman on their belt. Mall policy there is no weapons, violators will be asked to leave by the guards, or be charged with trespassing. There are times and places where wearing a holstered knife, or even a holstered pistol, is appropriate, and there are places and times it isn't.
 
For there to be no limit on the length of a fixed or folding blade, is this open or concealed carry? I usually open carry but am just curious.
 
Hi my first post on this forum. I f I have a permit to "carry a concealed handgun" in the State of Virginia would it then be ok to carry my Busse fixed 6" blade combat knife concealed? If you answer this please let me know your credentilas if you don't mind ie attorney/peace officer. Don't guess or repeat hearsay please. :)
 
Hi my first post on this forum. I f I have a permit to "carry a concealed handgun" in the State of Virginia would it then be ok to carry my Busse fixed 6" blade combat knife concealed? If you answer this please let me know your credentilas if you don't mind ie attorney/peace officer. Don't guess or repeat hearsay please. :)

It's specifically referred to under Code of Virgina § 18.2-308, subsection D, as a "Concealed Handgun Permit." Why would that apply to a knife? There is no mention of this as permissible anywhere in the statute or the VA State Police Website, and it is repeatedly emphasized as referring only to handguns.

This is relatively common throughout the United States. Does it make sense to allow guns but not knives? No of course not. But who said weapon laws ever made sense when politicians pandering for votes get involved.

My credentials? I'm a psychologist. What does that have to do with law? Nothing. But I know how to read legal statutes and the above are direct links to the source for these laws. Beyond that, the only true authority that you be able to get reliable info from is the VA State Police themselves.
 
In Virginia, the "Permit to Carry a Concealed Handgun (actually how it is titled)" applies only to handguns, nothing other, and only one handgun at that. While it is not specific to any make/model of handgun, I was told when I got my permit that it permits carry of only one single handgun.

Professor.
 
In Virginia, the "Permit to Carry a Concealed Handgun (actually how it is titled)" applies only to handguns, nothing other, and only one handgun at that. While it is not specific to any make/model of handgun, I was told when I got my permit that it permits carry of only one single handgun.

Professor.

Who told you that it applies to a single handgun at a time? And can you find it in the Code? I read through it three times and did not pick that up as a specific written law.
 
In Virginia, the "Permit to Carry a Concealed Handgun (actually how it is titled)" applies only to handguns, nothing other, and only one handgun at that. While it is not specific to any make/model of handgun, I was told when I got my permit that it permits carry of only one single handgun.

Professor.

Followed up on a firearms related forum.

From Virginia Code:

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+1-227
§ 1-227. Number.

A word used in the singular includes the plural and a word used in the plural includes the singular.

(Code 1919, § 5; Code 1950, § 1-13; 1950, p. 22, § 1-13.15; 2005, c. 839.)

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+8.1A-106
§ 8.1A-106. Use of singular and plural; gender.

In the Uniform Commercial Code, unless the statutory context otherwise requires:

(1) words in the singular number include the plural, and those in the plural include the singular; and

(2) words of any gender also refer to any other gender.

(1964, c. 219, § 8.1-102; 2003, c. 353.)

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So, there seems to be NO specific answer. But the Code seems to say that "A Handgun" can mean "Handguns". I wish they had went to the trouble to be a little less non-specific.....

Back on topic now.
 
I carry a sheath knife openly when working on my farm. In fact adding a knife to my belt is part of getting dressed in the morning when I am going to be working on my land. Sometimes I will forget and wear it to the store later in the day when I buy some groceries. In the local convenience store when buying gas, or getting a paper, or in the local supermarket where I buy food, I am known as a local farmer and therefore not viewed as someone not likely to stick up the cashier, so this does not cause a problem. However, I know not to wear it to the mall in Winchester as their security guards freak when someone has a simple leatherman on their belt. Mall policy there is no weapons, violators will be asked to leave by the guards, or be charged with trespassing. There are times and places where wearing a holstered knife, or even a holstered pistol, is appropriate, and there are places and times it isn't.

I was in a group in northern Virginia who target shoot together and who then go out to dinner afterward. If the restaurant serves liquor we switch to open carry before going in, and it was only a problem once in a Brannigans where a bunch of police showed up and stood around for awhile before approaching our table. We explained that we were citizens exercising our right to open carry and after a bit the cops just left. The incident was later written up in the Washington Post. My take is that open carry is important to combat a sense of complacency on the part of the public who takes for granted that certain rights are no longer rights by virtue of some concept of propriety. If people are shocked at the grocery store that you're carrying a knife openly then that's their problem, not yours. Although I have a concealed carry permit I occasionally carry openly for just this reason. Of course, concealed carry permits in Virginia don't cover knives so if you carry anything very large you have to open carry. I generally even make sure that when I carry a folder the clip and a certain amount of the handle are visible if people want to look, although I have taken to carrying my Spyderco Southard and my ZT 561 with deep carry clips.

I'm not sure about open carry of larger knives in certain municipalities. I think there's a 4-inch limit in most of the cities around the Beltway. I have to look into this, since I just got a Warrior Knife and it would probably be considered verboten just due to the name, but mainly because the blade is just shy of 6 inches.
 
i live in virginia and in a major city here....fixed blades of and size can be carried but only open carry not concealed....folding knives are not restricted in length by the state but certain cities do have local ordinance on blade length on a folder......and the concealed handgun permit only covers guns not knives....and there is no limit to how many guns you carry as long as you got the permit......hope this helps
 
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