Former CIA agent Sword and Bayonet Collection

Sketch32

Sketch32

Gold Member
Joined
Aug 31, 2007
Messages
1,848
Hi Guys,

I'm hoping some of you can help me out with some information. Friend of my brother passed away and he had no living relatives. His father was a CIA agent during WW2, Korean and Vietnam War. His father collected some swords and bayonets that were passed down to him and then passed along to my brother and his friend. Knowing that I had an interest in edged items, they passed them along to me. This is not my area of expertise and I was hoping for some info and possible price estimates. I realize that some of these items are not swords, but if you can direct me to some other forum, that would be appreciated as well. I've done some research and have found some info, but I realize many of the items from this era have been reproduced or even counterfeited. I'm I'd like to see if these are authentic or not. Any info would be appreciated.

  1. US Army Model 1913 Cavalry “Patton” Saber
Untitled by Matt Franklin, on Flickr


More Photos - https://www.flickr.com/photos/182318265@N04/shares/2jPf56

2. 1940 E.u.F Hörster Bayonet

Untitled by Matt Franklin, on FlickrUntitled by Matt Franklin, on Flickr

More Photos - https://www.flickr.com/photos/182318265@N04/shares/390186


3. (?) German hunting sword/dagger. Missing a few parts on sheath and hilt. I haven’t found much on this.

Untitled by Matt Franklin, on FlickrUntitled by Matt Franklin, on Flickr

More Photos - https://www.flickr.com/photos/182318265@N04/shares/a1i6f1


4. W.K.C German (Nazi?) sword.1930s

Untitled by Matt Franklin, on Flickr

Untitled by Matt Franklin, on Flickr

More Photos - https://www.flickr.com/photos/182318265@N04/shares/o41823


5. Danish Model 1867 Yataghan bayonet First Model?

Untitled by Matt Franklin, on FlickrUntitled by Matt Franklin, on FlickrUntitled by Matt Franklin, on Flickr

More Photos - https://www.flickr.com/photos/182318265@N04/shares/LD1E91


The next two items are not related to swords much, but if any of you have a lead for more info, I would appreciate it.

German boar spear head? African? I can’t find anything online that matches this.

Untitled by Matt Franklin, on Flickr

More Photos - https://www.flickr.com/photos/182318265@N04/shares/pe7U79


German billy club/baton ?

Untitled by Matt Franklin, on Flickr

More Photos - https://www.flickr.com/photos/182318265@N04/shares/17Zypy

Here are some additional photos for fun.

Photo Interrogating German soldier during the war. He spoke fluent German.

Untitled by Matt Franklin, on Flickr



Photo with Dwight D. Eisenhower

Untitled by Matt Franklin, on Flickr





Photo of his multiple IDs.

Untitled by Matt Franklin, on Flickr



Thanks for taking a look at these photos. I appreciate your help.



Matt
 
Re the Patton, post over here with marking details
https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/forum/8-edged-weapons/

RE the lion pommel and other German artifacts, post to
http://www.swordforum.com/vb4/forumdisplay.php?11-Antique-amp-Military-Sword-Forum
The SFI guys can probably determine what the portepee/knot on the hunting sword relates to as far as the officer. They don't do valuations but a few their know the esoteric and id stuff. Dale Martin and George Wheeler in particular.

Cheers
GC
 
Thanks to everyone for your help! I appreciate your leads and information. It’s been interesting learning some history concerning these items.
 
A note regarding the two personal images posted to the thread.

The Eisenhower cropped image is from a rather famous print.

For instance
https://www.hannapub.com/concordias...cle_44fa56fc-5188-11e7-bc92-07b2578ab3c4.html
http://arkansaslivingmagazine.com/a...ing-the-wwii-heroes-of-the-normandy-invasion/

The WWII interrogation image offers some conflict for someone listing a DOB of 1924. Not so much the hairline but six hash marks on the uniform sleeve, meaning 18 years of service. I haven't added up the fellows ribbons yet either but the session was likely not WWII if the individual associated had a dob of 1924. Figure the late 1950s for the image if it is indeed the individual of the story.

The CIA was formed in 1947. During WWII the predecessor was the OSS (Office of Strategic Service)

"Friend of my brother passed away and he had no living relatives. His father was........"
While the father's history is probably quite interesting, the objects in hand belonged to your brother's friend. As such, one might dismiss the entire lot in terms of any direct provenance but simply be a collection of stuff.

Cheers
GC
 
Thank you for this information . I realize now that this is a famous image. I’m not trying to mislead anyone and am just sorting through what I have been given an told. After looking into it a little further, it appears this gentleman served in WW2, but his CIA career was didn’t start until the Vietnam War time period. My main concern for posting this topic was to see if the items looked authentic or not. It appears again that they are. Thanks again to everyone for their input and knowledge.
 
Sure but when selling the stuff just omit the story line.

In the Eisenhower photo, without a lot of time spent, I see two people referred to as the fellow in the background. The highlighted jumper is sporting a Mohawk haircut and such included in the same series of photos.

tumblr_ljpjwijudi1qdkxrvo1_400.jpg ss040_50.jpg tumblr_ljpk0qedXp1qdkxrvo1_500.jpg

It is not a "gotcha" so much as some clarification. I imagine scores of families have stories of their ancestor portrayed in what was a poster, simply as having been in the airborne during the invasion. The stories, passed from one to another and in this case twice removed, the items are better regarded on their own merit before adding a story line at all. As I mentioned, the stories can be fascinating and some complete with journals, articles from newspapers, correspondence, etc. Particularly useful is a name.

The hunting sword/dress dagger will likely turn out to be an official of Bavaria but I'd defer to Dale&George at SFI

Cheers
GC
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top