Gerber LMF 2 thoughts?

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Hello, I am new to this forum so be patient. I have multiple knives at home but I do not have a bushcraft/survival knife. I have been surfing the web the past few days and the Gerber LMF 2 caught my eye. I have seen good and bad reviews on this knife, so I would like to know the pros and cons if anyone owns one. A con that is sort of holding me back is that it is not a full tang structure. Any feedback would help!
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I dont like them. I got to try out a couple of them in the army. Quite a few of my friends had them. I didnt like a single thing about them. I just got a bk 16 I love it. Perfect for what I used in the woods. I carried a ka bar And another older knife while I was in the army. So my opinion of the lmf is from a direct comparison to the ka bar.
 
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I dont like them. I got to try out a couple of them in the army. Quite a few of my friends had them. I didnt like a single thing about them. I just got a bk 16 I love it. Perfect for what I used in the woods. I carried a ka bar And another older knife while I was in the army. So my opinion of the lmf is from a direct comparison to the ka bar.

It sounds like your comparison is to the BK16, not a Kabar. ?

I have many knives at home but I do not have a good sturdy survival knife. I have been looking around and the Gerber LMF 2 caught my eye. I have seen good and bad reviews on this knife. I know that it is not full tang making less sturdy. Overall I just want to know what you guys think of this being my first survival knife. Is it worth it? And what do you think the pros and cons are?

There a lot of reviews on this knife because it is a well priced package and every PX carries it. As Coad mentioned, it is quite popular with army guys. I too know a couple who have and LOVE them, esp. compared to the Kabar which the military itself criticized for a lack of or poorly designed serrations that cost soldiers' lives. The LMFII is designed with grunts in mind - heavy, sturdy, tough. The sheath is exceptional, worth >$50 alone by most standards, providing excellent retention and attachment options, quiet, functional sharpener, functions as a handle when hammering with the pommel of the knife. :thumbup: The knife itself is made in the USA, stainless steel (previously 12C27, now 420HC - both reasonably tough), thick stock for high lateral strength. The edge is also a little thick for added durability (like most military-style knives), but the blade features significant serrations than are very well implemented - thin for excellent cutting, points reduced to prevent damage, capable of carving wood and filleting fish as well as cutting all manner of rope and webbing. The hammer and glass-breaker are both very effective, the lashing holes are a nice touch. It is very capable of everything Gerber markets it toward. Noss previously D-tested the knife but hasn't re-uploaded the video after YouTube policies changed. The knife performed VERY well! The handle is very comfortable gloved or bare-handed, even in freezing cold, insulating the hand from temperature, impact shock, and also electric charge. The hidden tang is does NOT make the knife less sturdy, it runs ~4/5 the length of the handle, more than is needed for leverage purposes. Indeed, full-width full-length tangs add unnecessary weight to a knife and reduce handle comfort without adding significant strength.

As a military knife, the Gerber is well worth the common $60 - $80 price tag.

All that said, the LMFII is designed as an Aircrew Survival Egress Knife (ASEK) and not a general woodsman survival knife. What woodsman needs an IR-resistant knife? Or electronic isolation of the handle from blade and pommel? The pommel adds a LOT of weight and unbalances the knife. As mentioned before, it is a thick knife for use as a pry-bar - again, extra weight. If you aren't in the army, I wouldn't recommend this knife over Gerber's Prodigy, almost identical to the LMFII without the extra bells & whistles & weight. There are a lot of other options out there as well. Take your time and make an informed decision. Good luck! :thumbup:
 
I agree with the above sentiment, while Gerber has soured me in recent years, I will say even though I'm not too crazy about my LMF II, I'm probably not part of the targeted demographic. The serrations don't sit well with me, as well as the integrated sharpener. Though for a pilot, or solider, this knife could prove to be a nice upgrade from the old tried and true Ontario 499 Air Force survival knife. I believe the overall profile is a bit "boxy", if that makes any sense. Overall it doesn't really meet my needs as a general use outdoors knife, but to each his own.
 
Grolim, no back then I carried, used the ka bar. Every time I handled used the lmf it was compared to that. I was simply stating that I personally carry the bk 16 now.
 
Grolim, no back then I carried, used the ka bar. Every time I handled used the lmf it was compared to that. I was simply stating that I personally carry the bk 16 now.

:thumbup: Thank you for the clarification.

Care to give any details about what you preferred about the Kabar and why? Blade length? Blade profile? Handle comfort? Balance? Cutting ability? Sheath? Just a general dislike of the Gerber or preference for the Kabar?

I suppose the comparison is really moot for the OP... A better comparison might be the Kabar vs the BK16, why you prefer the latter now that you are out of the army. Care to share?

To the OP, I'm not trying to steer you away from or toward any knife here, rather toward or away from particular design features and extent of utility in your own situation. There are so many options out there, including custom knives, that once you know what designs features you prefer and why, it may be easier to narrow your search and get full enjoyment out of your selection. Again, good luck!
 
Grolim, I didnt like the handle, blade profile,serrations, or balance. My needs in the army, a fighting knife that could cut straps,rope and be used to open cans. Now that I am home I camp alot. I carve, build traps, cook and do general camp chores. I found my old faithfull, after I replaced it it was stolen, was not ideal. If I had to choose a pilot type survival knife, bk10. As an infantryman, airborne, Id go ka bar again. As a camp bushccaft knife bk 16. Why the 16? Ffg. Handle fits my hands well. The balance behind my index finger makes the blade feel light while carving, doing kitchen chores. I dont dislike gerber I own the bear grylls paracord knife and I love it.
 
Coad,

:thumbup: Thank you for that, exactly what I was hoping for, just a little detail to 'flesh out' some ideas for the OP to consider.
 
The Prodigy is a cool, inexpensive knife. I'd recommend that over the big brother LMFII. I only handled the LMFII and Prodigy. There is a size difference. Also- isn't the Bear Grylls Ultimate a LMFII? They are a bit cheaper.

To add to the mix...I own KaBar USMC fighting knife from "back in the day" and I have a current KaBar US ARMY (same knife just labeled for the ARMY) in 1095 crovan. They are both great knives, but the newer KaBar wins hands down! They are the exact same size and shape- seem to balance similar, but the 1095 is a lot more durable than whatever steel my old WWII is made out of. It's hard to beat the stacked leather handle....beautiful!!
 
The Prodigy is a cool, inexpensive knife. I'd recommend that over the big brother LMFII. I only handled the LMFII and Prodigy. There is a size difference. Also- isn't the Bear Grylls Ultimate a LMFII? They are a bit cheaper.

To add to the mix...I own KaBar USMC fighting knife from "back in the day" and I have a current KaBar US ARMY (same knife just labeled for the ARMY) in 1095 crovan. They are both great knives, but the newer KaBar wins hands down! They are the exact same size and shape- seem to balance similar, but the 1095 is a lot more durable than whatever steel my old WWII is made out of. It's hard to beat the stacked leather handle....beautiful!!

There are actually a few differences between the bear grylls ultimate and the lmf II. One being the pommel. There is no glass breaker on the Grylls knife. (i own the lmf II and have smashed glass with it. It does actually work.) Gerber also received many complaints about the pommel breaking off or falling out under very little stress. No such complaits for the lmf though.
 
There are actually a few differences between the bear grylls ultimate and the lmf II. One being the pommel. There is no glass breaker on the Grylls knife. (i own the lmf II and have smashed glass with it. It does actually work.) Gerber also received many complaints about the pommel breaking off or falling out under very little stress. No such complaits for the lmf though.

The BG is a Chinese product of inferior materials and construction, the LMFII is made in the USA with higher quality materials and more durable construction. Mine has 12C27 blade steel. More about the pommel of the LMFII - it is the only knife I've seen to place this along the spine so that the sheathed knife can be used like a normal hammer, taking advantage of the extra leverage. Some have complained that the sheath retention is too strong and rubs the guard heavily - 1) a drop of mineral oil prevents rubbing damage, and 2) the retention needs to be strong to endure the side impacts of using the hammer. It works exceptionally well. As for the glass-breaker/skull-crusher tip, while i don't regularly break windows with it, I have found it VERY handy for crushing ice and chipping away blocks of ice or brick :thumbup:
 
No, no, no... Sorry, but no!
The BG knife is something else. The UltimatePro, something more...
You can take a Gerber Prodigy for general use/survival. It is lighter and has the same sturdiness, etc., because in the LMF II the problems in outdoors there are the pommel, too heavy and the actual handle, too soft for a beating; this meaning you will see the signs of use (and not of abuse) very early. I have pushed the Prodigy very far for a knife it's size and it's still holding on without any issues. The only problem is sharpening the serrations.
 
The back of my LMF II box said, "MADE IN THE USA FROM US AND IMPORTED PARTS."

I don't believe it is totally made in the USA.

The plastic casing under the rubber handle on both of my LMF II's broke at the seam. It caused some minor blade play. This occurred during batoning red oak 3 to 4 inches in diameter. No knots and little to no force. It batoned fine, but I noticed the split in the plastic. After sending it back the first time, I gave the second one away. There are two threads that I researched here when my incident happened that describe the same problem.

Having said this, I do appreciate Gerber's innovation and have many Gerber products that have never failed me. I can't knock my paraframe as mine has performed flawlessly since purchase. Just had to say it:p

I believe there are better knives in Gerber's (and other manufacturer's) line that would be suited for the civilian and outdoor survival.
 
If it was good enough for the military to issue it! It is good enough for me..ordered one in black today! Will keep it in truck.Got an Amazon credit card and paid $40 for it...good deal!
 
I have both the LMF Survival (came with a strap cutter) and the second-gen BG Ultimate with the fine edge. If I'd bought the BG first, I'd probably like it more. The handle is fabulous in the hand, and the package is a great idea. Caveats: I find that the firesteel isn't that great; I spend a *lot* of time making sparks before anything happens to the birch bark. And if you're a sharpening newb like me, the diamond sharpener makes it too easy to bugger the blade.

The LMF feels like the blade is a much harder steel. It also just feels more solid all 'round.

But as I get more into bushcraft, I'm more and more willing to say I'd hand them both to someone in return for a nice Woodlore clone, especially now that every maker I investigate seems to have stopped taking orders or is no longer offering customs.

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