Gerber Quality

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I have researched several Gerber knives (including some information-mining on this forum) such as the LMF II, and I have heard about numerous quality-control issues and sloppy building techniques at Gerber. I have personally never owned a Gerber knife, although I have carried one in the past on a few trips and I really liked it. Has Gerber’s overall knife quality dropped, or are people just complaining more often since the Bear Grylls series was introduced? What Gerber knives do you own and how well have they performed?
 
I have a Torch II, and a Harsey Air Ranger. Build quality is pretty good for a $20-$30 knife. The heat-treat on the blades is not very good, and I think that's one place where they make up the cost: I've seen what Kershaw does with the same steel, and there is a difference.

Gerber is actually clever about their product. The designs are solid, but they build down to a price point by using lesser quality materials and looser machining tolerances. Liners are thinner than what you see further up-market, and if you look carefully at the screws, you'll likely see that they aren't quite centered in their countersink holes.

While Gerber knives are not for the connoisseur, they do have their place. When you don't need top-level performance, and you don't want to worry about it getting scratched and dirty, that's the time to pick up a Gerber. Heck, for the price, better get two.
 
I bought an LMF II to keep in my car. I was well aware of what I was buying (it didn't need to be a high quality knife), and I still consider it to be exactly what I wanted for its purpose - a versatile tool that I won't mind messing up in the event I need to use it.
 
I bought a few different Chinese Gerbers when on sale for $20-25 when I started getting interested in knives and they are just ok. They serve my purpose as beater knives left in the car glove box and at the cottage, but the materials, ergonomics and performance are nowhere close to a $40 Spyderco Tenacious or Ontario Rat IMO.

I can’t speak to the USA made knives as I have never owned one.
 
I bought an LMF II to keep in my car. I was well aware of what I was buying (it didn't need to be a high quality knife), and I still consider it to be exactly what I wanted for its purpose - a versatile tool that I won't mind messing up in the event I need to use it.
In the end, I personally decided that a Becker BK7 would be more appropriate for my use case, especially considering the similar price, but I did think about getting an LMF II for similar reasons to what you experienced.
 
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I have an old Gerber Mark II commando knife. Well made, (back when they were a quality knife builder) As far as now, I'd rather pay a few extra bucks for a Buck, "in that range". Gerber is cheap, shoddy material, and uninspiring.

Now the guy who used to design for Gerber, Freeman, has a quality blade out, called the Freeman 451. check it out...
 
I have an old Gerber Mark II commando knife. Well made, (back when they were a quality knife builder) As far as now, I'd rather pay a few extra bucks for a Buck, "in that range". Gerber is cheap, shoddy material, and uninspiring.

Now the guy who used to design for Gerber, Freeman, has a quality blade out, called the Freeman 451. check it out...
I certainly will!

I have found that you can do better for the price, but, on the positive side, Gerbers will not explode or crumble into dust when being used.
WHEW... I thought we were going to have to ban carrying Gerbers on planes because of exploding knives... If a knife explodes, does it count as a ballistic knife?

Sorry, I had to have a little fun there, but, on the serious side, you make a good point. Gerber knives are not bad knives. They just aren't exceptionally good ones either.
 
In the end, I personally decided that a Becker BK7 would be more appropriate for my use case, especially considering the similar price, but I did think about getting an LMF II for similar reasons to what you experienced.

That's an excellent choice. :thumbsup:
 
WHEW... I thought we were going to have to ban carrying Gerbers on planes because of exploding knives... If a knife explodes, does it count as a ballistic knife?

Sorry, I had to have a little fun there, but, on the serious side, you make a good point. Gerber knives are not bad knives. They just aren't exceptionally good ones either.

lol :) They are fine, you can cut stuff with them, but the point of coming here is the get a knife that is better than just "fine."

Like that Becker.
 
Strongarm....great knife.
Fixed gator...great knife.
LST.......great knife.
Post recall Instant ?.......yes, I like it too.
They have other models I do not like, but these 4 are good knives, IMO
Those are some solid knives, Angus. What about the LMF II? My main concern with the Strongarm is that, like the LMF II, it has a rubber handle that may wear. Not good for a bushcraft knife at all. By the way, there is a new Strongarm out that has BDZ-1 steel. I'm not familiar with my knife metals, so I don't know if that's good or bad. What do you think?
 
I own two Gerber products. A Gerber Strongarm bought within the last year and an old MT with the push buttons to extend the pliers that are at least a decade old. I have had no problems with either of those products. The Gerber Strongarm is a great knife for $52ish and I have recommended it several times on this forum. I have no experience with the BDZ-1 steel.
 
I have some real sadness abut Gerber. 20-odd years ago I bought an LST (the original large one). A terrific knife: clever design, good materials (good edge retention and sharpening), could be field-stripped and cleaned without any tools, and VERY light-weight; perfect for backpacking. I loved that knife.

When I lost it, I replaced it immediately, even though it had gotten substantially more expensive -- it was such a terrific knife. And the blade on the new replacement was some mystery steel that resembled pot metal, with a horrible sharpening grind to boot.

So, Gerber once made quality knives. . . but they lost my interest, for sure.
 
Back in the early 80's , I bought every model of dagger that Gerber made and was pleased . Their quality has slipped but so has SOG and many others. Still not complete junk maybe , but disappointing .
 
Gerber usa knives even have poor quality and design. Real pity.


 
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In the end, I personally decided that a Becker BK7 would be more appropriate for my use case, especially considering the similar price, but I did think about getting an LMF II for similar reasons to what you experienced.
I also keep an LMF 2 in my car ... in the little space between the driver's seat and the door. I also keep a beater Glock bayonet in my trunk duffel. Both are fine just-in-case tools.
 
I had a Gerber covert, a Gerber fairbairn folder, and [still have] a Gerber 06 manual folder. They're not bad at all, but you need to find good deals on them to make them worth it.

They're very interesting, excellent designs, but implemented relatively poorly. I'll probably sell the 06 manual soon.
 
I own an S30V EZ-out (x2), combo-edge Order, plain-edge Order, Sharkbelly, LMFII, Strongarm, Propel (x2), US-Assist, as well as a "BG Compact Fixed Blade", a Gerber Dime, and then I also own a couple of the older knives, namely the A425 & A475 armorhide fixed blades.

Those older knives are awesome - nicely formed handles, M2-tool steel with a hard chrome finish, FFG. My only complaint is how cold the handles get :)
The Strongarm and LMFII are both good fixed blades, but they are both designed for military personnel, particularly the LMFII. The Strongarm is probably a better pick for a civilian outdoorsman - it's lightweight and plenty durable with a very comfortable handle and a good sheath to boot. But both knives are good quality, durable, comfortable, and backed by a lifetime guarantee. Neither would make a good slicer as both are rather thick behind the edge, but that is made up for in the exceptional serrations which, at least on my examples, are thin and very sharp :thumbsup:

The one BG knife I own was bought for throwing, but it too appears well-made. It and the Gerber Dime are made in China. I actually sent back a previous Dime and received another because I tend to break things and the Dime is a mini multitool, i.e. I used the pliers too hard and popped the back-springs that act as the pliers-stop. As a light-duty tool, the Dime is great, I like it much more than the Leatherman Squirt PS4, but I moved up to a Leatherman Wingman because of my tendency to use tools hard (I also have a LM Charge TTi but don't often carry it on my person because of the thickness and heft and my not regularly needing many of the tools on board).

Each of the folders is USA-made. Not every one of them came with an even grind (this is more true for the fixed blades, edge-grinds are often uneven, judging by what I have seen), but the Orders are wonderfully thin slicers and easy to maintain, exceptionally lightweight, and comfortable to use.
I only just purchased the Sharkbelly and have read that some experienced stiffness in the action but my example is excellent and will probably replace the Orders for me. I like the Sharkbelly handle and opening-hole, but I especially prefer the pocket-clip. I actually cut one of my Order pocket-clips down to ~half-size for more discrete carry and comfort in use. The Sharkbelly uses flexible wire set for deep-carry. I would prefer it to be more gray/dark so as not to shine, and one may note that it is easily shifted/twisted (unlike the thicker wire clip of the US-Assist or those found on Spydercos like the Caly3), but I have not bent it or had any other negative experience with it yet. The knife itself is nicely shaped and came very sharp.
I ended up buying two Propels because, once de-assisted, it is an excellent button-lock knife for outdoor use. This knife is not thin behind the edge outside of the serrations but it works well as a makeshift chisel or for piercing/digging into material, and the serrations work very well on roots and ropes. It is built very strong (I'd trust it over a Hogue) and can handle a lot of abuse, and is easy to open and close one-handed (once de-assisted) just like an axis-lock. Again, I don't use these as general EDC home/office/kitchen knives but for rough outdoor work.
The US-Assist: this one I cannot recommend. The edge is not fully sharpened from the factory but comes with an unsharpened section near the choil, and the choil is excessively large (for just sharpening) without being able to accommodate a finger like the Order. The blade itself is rather thick behind the edge on the S30V version and has a stout flat saber-grind... The 420HC version is probably a better choice for most users, since it appears to have a higher hollow grind that should result in a thinner blade and edge = better cutting performance. The button-lock here is far inferior to that of the Propel such that there is slight vertical-play when the lock is engaged and the knife can rattle unless excessively tightened. The torsion-spring isn't as nice as the coil on something like a Benchmade Barrage, and I prefer it removed, but the tang of the US-Assist isn't ground to allow for this. On the Propel, the tang has a ramp that allows the button-lock to provide a detent without the torsion-spring in place, i.e. the knife remains closed even without the secondary lock switched over. There is no ramp on the tang of the US-Assist, the torsion-spring is what holds the blade closed. Without the spring, one can use the cross-bolt 'safety' to keep the knife closed (or opened) but again there is rattle since the cross-bolt is not (at least on my sample) machined to sufficiently tight tolerances. The knife is excessively fat and heavy - full steel liners and a thick (though plastic) handle on such a short blade?
The US-Assist is functional as a knife - the lock, while imperfect, does hold the blade open, the safety is functional and does hold the blade closed against accidental opening, the handle isn't uncomfortable beyond being a bit small and having that protruding pocket-clip, and the action is swift and smooth opening/closing. But the knife as a whole, given all of its little problems, is not really worth owning, IMO, and I would be happy to pass my example along to an interested buyer.

My final $0.02 - Gerbers can be of excellent quality and well worth the $$. But it is advisable that you take an opportunity (e.g. at Walmart) to handle the ones that interest you to get an idea of whether or not they meet your needs/desires. I typically stick with US-made Gerbers, but the Fiskars/Gerber axes are great, some of the Chinese-made stuff isn't bad (to judge by various reviews, I don't own many knives from China), and not all of the US-made stuff is of the highest quality for the price. Why buy it? because it is inexpensive and readily available and able to get the job done and inexpensive.
 
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