good training books and videos for balisong

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i want to purchase a balisong as my new defense knife and was wondering if anyone knew of any good training manuals and/or videos for training with it. also what is a good backup to a balisong for defense? and one more thing (lol)is mike janich's video any good??? because i have his book "practical knife fighting" and thought it was pretty good. thanks...lonewolfblood
 
FYI, here is a list of the existing books :
http://www.balisong.net/en/references-books.htm
+ a book about the History of the Balisong which is called "The heart of the butterfly"

and of the existing videos :
http://www.balisong.net/en/references-videos.htm

I would advice you the classical "Balisong Manual" and "Advanced Balisong Manual" by Jeff Imada. I started with them. They're, to me, the Balisong Manual (until some guys in this forum decides to make a better one -- they have all the knowledge for).

Guillaume

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Lonewolfblood, welcome to our happy first home. If you do a search on this forum for videos you'll find all the info and more right here. As to the backup of a bali for defense purposes I'd either choose another bali or just about any one handed opener (I use Spyderco Endura). I've heard that Janich's video really isn't all that good but I haven't seen it so I can't tell you. I did however just order Imada's video and should be able to try it out this next week.

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Mykl
Anxiously awaiting my BM 42A
 
Before you carry it you shuld keep in mind that your state outlaws the carrying of "gravity knives." Most states consider balisongs gravity knives.
 
In an ideal world where you have free choice of what to carry [I know, I know, in an ideal world it wouldn't be necessary, stop nit-picking] and to carry is practical, you would either want to carry a second weapon that complements the first, or one that supplements the first.

A comlimentary weapon provides options and abilities not readily applicable with the primary, but which increase effectiveness of the primary.

A bali is light and fast, mostly effiective in close. So a compliment should add weight or range.

Ideal compliments would then include batons, flails, and throwing weapons. Batons include things like tonfa (modern versions are often referred to as nightsticks), collapsible batons, or kubotan (roughly the size of a pen, used on pressure points or just to add mass to your fist.). A flail could be as simple as a manriki chain or a yo-yo. Or just pick your favorite throwing weapon, from shiriken to bootknives to billiard balls.

Suplimentary weapons basically continue the abilities of the primary. Basically, this means carrying paired weapons. In this case, two identical balis.

But a word of advise: To carry a weapon is to invite trouble. Whether you carry it openly or tucked safely in a pocket.

If you carry it openly, you are saying, "I'm BAD! Try me punk!" This is why many martial arts prohibit wearing their uniforms outside of class.

If you carry a hidden weapon, you will tend to think of an encounter in terms of that weapon. "If your only tool is a hammer, you begin to see every problem as a nail." Not only can this cause trouble to escalate to an unhealthy level where things get completely out of control, but it also limits you in such an encounter. People just have a basic tendency when holding a weapon to forget that they (and consequently, their opponents) have numerous natural weapons (hands, feet, knees, etc.) which opens a combatant to dangerous defense gaps.

Far better to learn to defend yourself with your wits and your hands, and have the blade as a backup if all else fails.

Now, I'm not saying I never carry my bali. But I never carry it as a weapon. I carry it as a knife, a tool. Please, remember this.

Sorry to go preachy on you. I'm bad about that, ask Mykl. But it is something that should be considered. Balisongs (and knives in general) have a bad reputation mostly because people don't treat them responsibly. There is nothing inherently wrong to a weapon. However, the spirit in which a weapon is held can pervert it to evil purposes--not to sound melodramatic.

End of sermon.
 
Well, Spoken archer( a little to well perhaps but hey) this brings up a good point. When I said I carry my Endura as a backup I didn't mean in terms of defense as much as the fact that I use the Endura when sheeple are around (or the fuzz) that would have a problem with my bali. And if I think someone will have a problem with the endura I use my SAK or Leatherman (which I flip like a bali just to scare sheeple).

For self defense the best defense isn't in side your belt sheath but inside your head. Think our way out and you'll never have said problem.

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Mykl
Balisong, the folding fixed blade.

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Mykl Clark, flipping a leatherman like a bali just to scare "Sheeple" (love the term!), is very mean, I love it!
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You should see what he does to Jehovah's Witnesses. Not to mention IRS agents.
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Life often sucks, but always remember: God is good, and arrows are reusable.
A country boy can survive. :)
 
Well, there's very little they can do about a Leatherman and so I like to flaunt that in there face (that and it it's fun when you can't flip your bali around) and if you move it fast enough some sheeple will even ask if "it's one of those butterfly knife thingies". As to the other people, yes I do have a Kukri that sits by my door (aptly called my door answering knife) that I always have drawn if it's anyone I don't know.
Sometimes the crossbow hanging on a shoulder strap is a little much but that works well to.

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Mykl
Balisong, the folding fixed blade.

[This message has been edited by Mykl Clark (edited 01-28-2001).]

[This message has been edited by Mykl Clark (edited 01-28-2001).]
 
Everyone ..

Thanks! You gave me a good laugh on Leatherman's stuff .. I wished I did that to the JW that came up to me years ago
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Back to gravity knife: I read on a book on British Military Knives (historical till present) that a gravity knife is SPECIFICALLY a front opener knife .. can't we argue on that?

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Chris
"To use or not to use your Balisong - that is the question"
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