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Got the Nilakka - Couple Observations and a Potential Issue

Discussion in 'Spyderco' started by AF, Oct 13, 2012.

  1. AF

    AF Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    Sorry no pics right now.

    First off I think this knife is thinner behind the edge than any knife I've ever seen. I don't have calipers.
    The fit is superb. The finish is good too although the easy-to-see locking liner is somewhat roughly finished. It has sanding lines going in different directions.
    The clip seems to work well. The ball detent seems like it has the right strength.

    Here is the one thing that concerns me. The tang - serving as the surface for the liner engagement - is not ground to its full width. It's ground about 3/4 of the width. I don't think I've ever seen that on a liner lock and I wonder if it was a mistake. I would think that the life of the lock is reduced because of this.
     
  2. yablanowitz

    yablanowitz

    Apr 14, 2006
    I just pulled mine out of the mailbox a few minutes ago. I sort of agree on the locking surface, but given the thickness of the blade stock, I'd guess it would be the difference between lasting a hundred years and lasting 120 years. Just don't use it for an axe. Did you notice the stop pin?
     
  3. AF

    AF Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    Thinking more about it - the blade tang is very thick so the liner has plenty of room to wear. I still find it a curious design element.
     
  4. AF

    AF Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    Posted at the same time.
    No didn't notice the stop pin at first. That is cool!
     
  5. JDunn709

    JDunn709

    Jan 7, 2009
    Pictures? :p
     
  6. yablanowitz

    yablanowitz

    Apr 14, 2006
    Here are a few.

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  7. berserk87

    berserk87

    377
    Sep 16, 2009
    I thought that the scales were brown in the online pics that I saw earlier. They look gray in your pictures. I like the version in your pictures better.
     
  8. yablanowitz

    yablanowitz

    Apr 14, 2006
    They are brown. The color you see is a combination of blue backdrop, digital camera and total lack of photography skill.

    Edit to add: here is a pic in direct sunlight without the blue backdrop.

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  9. Sithus1966

    Sithus1966

    Jan 24, 2008
    I got to open mine when I got home. My tang looks the same, don't think it's an issue as yablanowitz said. I like the internal pin, just like the Buck Vantage series. I got a few comparison shots before my camera battery died.

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  10. hollowdweller

    hollowdweller

    Sep 22, 2003
    Hey I got mine today.

    First thing I did is headed outside to try it out and take a few pics.

    I grabbed a sycamore branch about 1.5" dried and started to see how long it would take for it to whittle it in half.

    I tried to use all of the edge and it cut the sycamore like butter.

    Unfortunately the dried sycamore, which isn't really that hard tore the edge all to hell.

    I believe that I am going to have to take the first 1/32" off the edge, and maybe even back to 1/16.

    When a saw how bad that it was hurting the edge I stopped before the final 3/4" before the tip but I think that if you used the tip for carving, which is what Puukko's are good for you could seriously run the risk of snapping the tip off.

    I didn't realize that unlike most Scandi knives the blade has a distal taper which renders the point extremely thin.

    This knife is going to have to have a convex secondary. I think it would have been better without the distal taper and with a "scandi" grind.

    Pekka is a well respected smith right?? It's hard for me to believe that anybody who actually has used a knife would make a blade this fragile.

    I personally love a thin edge and realize that the thinner an edge is the better it cuts and the more prone to damage. But this blade, maybe you could get away with this thin an edge if it was 3v or something but not this steel.
     
  11. yablanowitz

    yablanowitz

    Apr 14, 2006
    I had reservations about the combination of S30V and full flat zero grind myself. I didn't really think the steel could handle a 10° included angle, and it seems I was right. This is mine after a few minutes carving on a basswood carving block.

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    Definitely going to need a secondary bevel on this one. Oddly enough, the tip fared better than the rest of the edge, and that's the part I was using the most. I'm no stranger to thin edges, I'm used to a Ken Coats custom that measures 0.007" at the back of the edge bevel.
     
  12. RevDevil

    RevDevil Super Evil Supermod Staff Member Super Mod

    Nov 9, 2009
    That is kind of crazy the way the edge was busted up. Maybe the design would have worked better with some O1?
     
  13. yablanowitz

    yablanowitz

    Apr 14, 2006
    Probably. 10° included is asking a lot from any steel I've ever tried, though. If this had happened on my usual sample of local ash, I could understand, but basswood is soft and easy to carve. That's why it's popular for whittling projects. Clear, straight grain and softer than the cottonwood we grow around here. I thought this was supposed to be a woodworking tool. Maybe I just haven't done enough whittling to have learned how, yet.
     
  14. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    I'll take an unwanted one. :D
     
  15. russianpolander

    russianpolander

    May 23, 2011
    I read this top down and went from i'm getting one to not a chance. I like the design but obviously something is askew with these.
     
  16. RevDevil

    RevDevil Super Evil Supermod Staff Member Super Mod

    Nov 9, 2009
    Yea, sure. :foot:
    If you're saying the angle is too steel, then I'm sure you are right about it. I'm curious as to what Sal's thoughts will be on this.
     
  17. videl

    videl

    172
    Mar 24, 2012
    So the stop pin is fixed into the tang, and moves within channels in the liners? Pretty neat.
    That chipping looks nasty, would like to know what the actual 'intent' of the knife is, looks a bit brittle for wood working.
     
  18. yablanowitz

    yablanowitz

    Apr 14, 2006
    Cleaned up with a 20° secondary bevel it is working well.
     
  19. momouppa

    momouppa

    149
    May 15, 2011
    I think they should be more like a opinel with a small secondary bevel
     
  20. Lycosa

    Lycosa

    Aug 24, 2007
    Wow.
    I'd still like one. I don't carve wood so I'd be gtg.
     

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