How To Hanbon Forge (Made in China) 1060 Damascus Katana, Clay Tempered (differentially hardened)

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I got the above sword from China, it looked awesome on the website and the reviews were good. But when I did a hardness and flex test the file didn't skate and the blade didn't come back to true, it stayed bent. I'm a newb and don't know much about blades. Can I heat it back up and re-quench to harden it? If so please advise how. The link to the product is: https://www.hanbonforge.com/Japanes...-Tang-Clay-Tempered-Blade-Dragon-Tsuba-Custom. Did I get ripped off?
 
Reforging a sword is a big deal and not something you can just tell someone how to do in a post here. You can certainly learn it, even online, but the equipment you'll need may be probitively expensive. As for whether you were ripped off, the answer is likely, "Yes." You wanted a functional sword. You didn't get one, it seems. Now, Nihon-to swords are not meant to spring back from extreme flexing, as I understand it, so I'm not sure why you'd do that; and they have differential hardening, so depending on where you run a file, you might just get it to bite. You might very well have had a functional sword when it arrived, but you don't have one now.

I recommend you chalk this one up to experience and save up for another try.

https://www.sword-buyers-guide.com/samurai-swords-on-ebay.html
 
Have you tried contacting them? Does it appear to have a hamon (the hardening line) like in the photos?
 
The whole set was 686 dollars? With swords as with most things you get what you pay for. In this case you didn't pay much and got the same it seems. I would suggest that it might be worth learning a bit more before trying again.
 
Y'all could probably melt that down and turn it into some bottle openers or something. Saw that on Forged In Fire.
 
Thanks for the advice everybody I thought I might be able to just reheat it with propane and dunk it in water to harden it proper but I guess it is just a display and not a bamboo field cutter
 
Thanks for the advice everybody I thought I might be able to just reheat it with propane and dunk it in water to harden it proper but I guess it is just a display and not a bamboo field cutter
Unfortunately, I think you are correct. If it helps you still did far better than I did on my first (and second) try.
 
Some basics might have helped. Differentially hardened (what they are calling clay tempered) blades are not meant to be springy, so right off the bat the ad copy is misleading. If a file is easily biting into the edge, that does not mean it might have had some heat treating. If you were checking on the spine, it is meant to be softer. Honestly the hamon looks like it was just etched on, making the entire ad copy meant to fool.

The buy first and learn later was the first mistake.

No one wants to read that their babies are ugly but those really are ugly swords.

The next time you buy a differentially hardened Japanese style sword, don't expect to get something for nothing and certainly understand that you don't flex them. If you wants a springy sword, buy a through hardened blade. "Damascus" katana are generally a waste of money. Those are trashy, right out of the gate.

I was first attracted to a god awful silver mounted set from Art Gladius of Spain. After staring at the paper catalog for some time, I was first getting online. Bugei was just beginning with US smiths. I was learning more about Japanese swords from sites such as Rich Stein's http://www.japaneseswordindex.com/

I started looking at real Japanese swords (AOI for one) but I was also almost ready to buy a Michael Bell sword, fully mounted for a couple of grand. I would have appreciated it now. Instead I spent more than a year looking at medieval swords before making my first reproduction buy. I did eventually by a katana. A 4th generation Hanwei Practical, spring of 2003. The sword was a loaner at events over the years and it is still sharp (minor honing) and still sound all these years later. $125 shipped from Mike Crampton of Shadow of Leaves.

SBG has a pulse on the market and some like what they get from Hanbon. I do know I could find better options at that price point. We open our wallets and spend. Sometimes we know what we are doing.

Cheers
GC
 
Before I continue I just want to clear up that I do not work for handbond forage. I am simply a satisfied customer.

Summary of my Hanbon Forge Collection
The first thing you have to realize is that not all Chinese production sword companies are created equal. HBF offers a "decent" product FOR THE BUDGET MINDED. If you'll check out r/katanas on Reddit you'll find many happy HBF customers there.

Also check out "Matthew Jensen" (and others) reviews of them on YouTube.

But you cannot compare the product to those companies that operate in the high hundreds or low thousands $ range on production swords (A couple of those companies are z-sey and Motorhara) anymore than you would compare a your average Ford car to a Lexus and then determine your Ford is crap, when it's a perfectly decent car for doing his job of getting you around.

But you were not ripped off. At least not intentionally.
I have been dealing with HBF since March of 2021. I have found them to be forthright and honest... as much as differences in language allow. But yes, they could express some things better in their ad copy.

I know the OP is an old post, but if you have not done it already you should write Mr Yao at HBF ( as short as in as simple english as possible) with your concern.

Sales@HanBonForge.com

But yeah, unless you have money to burn and are prepared to lose your sword, never test them like that.
That goes for the $60 Katana all the way up thru the $6,000 katana.

If if you would like to see destruction testing of various brands check out the Matthew Jensen videos I recommended
 
They are what they are. You are correct, don't pay an apple sauce price and expect cavier. That said if they were billed as functional and have soft blades that easily take a set ... Well, that doesn't even sound like apple sauce.
 
They are what they are. You are correct, don't pay an apple sauce price and expect cavier. That said if they were billed as functional and have soft blades that easily take a set ... Well, that doesn't even sound like apple sauce.
Well, he said he did a "flex test", but didn't say what that involved. Additionally he did it on a non-spring steel blade, a DH 1060 versus something like 9260 SS.

Either, way, how much amateur abuse is a sword supposed to be able take before flowery sales talk becomes false advertising? <shrug>
 
Well, he said he did a "flex test", but didn't say what that involved. Additionally he did it on a non-spring steel blade, a DH 1060 versus something like 9260 SS.

Either, way, how much amateur abuse is a sword supposed to be able take before flowery sales talk becomes false advertising? <shrug>
I couldn't say of course and I suspect the op is long gone. Either way when you buy a sword for 200 dollars and some change you should not expect much. If you happen to get something nice consider that an unlikely bonus.
 
I couldn't say of course and I suspect the op is long gone. Either way when you buy a sword for 200 dollars and some change you should not expect much. If you happen to get something nice consider that an unlikely bonus.
Yeah, as you can see from my post I have 7 of their swords and an 8th one on the way. I'm not sure what people would be expecting for the budget price, but if you've ever seen the reviews on YouTube and whatnot them that use them for backyard cutting of water bottles and pool noodles and the occasional matt seem to think they are adequate enough.

But I look at it like this; they're a Ford. A very adequate car for some basic transportation.

And I have to laugh whenever a Lexus or Lamborghini owner (whatever the step up Katana equivalent of a Lexus or Lamborghini would be to HanBon Forge's Ford) comes in and starts comparing the accessories and handling, with the conclusion that the Ford is nothing more than crap.

Because "not as nice as..." does not automatically equal crap.
 
HanBon Forge now on Amazon...

I have to kind of agree with that. They wrote me and asked me to help them with some of their copy of the Amazon site. If you look at certain offerings you could probably tell which ones I had my hand in versus which one is strictly the Chinese effort.
But even then things aren't exactly as I would say because I had a format to follow. I was just cleaning up the English a little bit.

And full disclaimer, I was "paid' for my work...with a sword stand. 😄

But yeah a number of the offerings are pop culture related. Eg. The Kill Bill sword, The Michonne sword from Walking Dead, The Highlander sword.
Because after all, who mostly would be looking for a sword on Amazon except Mall ninjas in training?

But the commercialization aspect aside, the fortunate difference between them and other similar mall ninja type stuff is the safety of the full tang, the two mekugi peg attachments and the blades are not some type of pot metal

Back when Michael was expecting his first sword, my question to him was whether he was interested in Japanese swords or Japanese style swords. At one point after that, I remarked that Michael would soon be coaching those entering the market. Still leaning towards the qualities of Japanese style swords, Michael has become a beacon, in and of himself.

While Michael has raised other questions about swords and sources, they generally regard the worth of budget swords or touting his patronage of Hanbon. Not that there is anything wrong with that, aside from accepting there may be better alternatives at a given price point. Lots of companies take shortcuts.

Michael's exploits are well outlined at SBG.

Cheers
GC
 
Back when Michael was expecting his first sword, my question to him was whether he was interested in Japanese swords or Japanese style swords. At one point after that, I remarked that Michael would soon be coaching those entering the market. Still leaning towards the qualities of Japanese style swords, Michael has become a beacon, in and of himself.

While Michael has raised other questions about swords and sources, they generally regard the worth of budget swords or touting his patronage of Hanbon. Not that there is anything wrong with that, aside from accepting there may be better alternatives at a given price point. Lots of companies take shortcuts.

Michael's exploits are well outlined at SBG.

Cheers
GC
I have exploits? 😄
If I had known that I could have been writing them down as I went and probably could have had them turned in to some sort of series like "The Michael Chronicles" or some such 😉

Not sure I fully understood the point of every statement there, but to address one I think I understand I will say this;
I've only been at this katana thing for a year and a half and so do not have a fraction of the knowledge of those that have been at it for many years and in a much deeper way. But I found there is some basic knowledge that easily acquired by anyone in this field. And that knowledge makes functional enough at a certain level.

One of the things I found out is that there is an ill-defined parameter of what constitutes a "budget" katana and a confusingly wide range of quality and of what companies offer for their budget katanas.

After about a month's research. (And these days you can get a LOT done online with such research in a month. Which Probably sounds very funny to people who grew up in a world where there have always been cell phones and computers.) I settled on what I was looking for; an art piece that is functional, with the budget I had at the time. Based on what they said they could offer and perceived trustworthiness, largely based on reviews by others, I whittle it down to 3 places, Swords of Northshire and HanBon Forge being two (I forget who now who the third was), and I sent out a request to each for an estimate. HBF beat the other two by more than $100. So I decided to go with them.

I was also pleased, as a new customer, on how much they worked with me on ironing out the details of the design when it came to the etchings and special length BoHi and such. When I got my sword I was pleased with how it turned out and thought I got decent value for the money when comparing to others out there. So I ordered a second and a third and so forth.

Now, do I think that there are other budget companies out there that offer a "better" value for one's money?
Well I would say that depends on what the individual values.

I value a sword that is safe and functional and that I can theme out a little bit.
Other things, like certain specifics of the geometry, are not as important to me as they are to others.

If one wants a decent looking sword though with limited custom personalization options that cuts well enough, sure, there are several other companies out there besides HBF that many people would be perfectly happy with. But I don't value them because they don't give me what I want.

Does SoN have "better" customer service through communication then HBF? Sure. But not to a degree that have I found it being any more beneficial to getting the desired product that I want from HBF. And certainly not to the degree that I'm willing to pay their 60% or more premium for the same product. (My first sword from HBF was 280 and I was quoted 430 from SoN for the exact same specs)

Over the last year and a half I have established a good working relationship with HBF and found them to be honest and trustworthy and very much trying to do the right thing by their customers.

That does not mean they are perfect and that does not mean that some of the flowery sales language in some of their product descriptions could not be a little better or a little more accurate. But frankly I have not found any of their business model peers that do it any better.

All of that is why I use my experience to guide new people to HBF based on their stated desire for a katana product.

But I'm in no way responsible for other people, who may like other companies, for whatever reasons that are valid to them, if those other people do not tout those companies.

Or the only way most seem to promote or advertise a company that they like is to tell somebody to "Check out this website" and then, maybe, leave a link with no further personal information as to why the person, in their newbie ignorance, should consider that company for their katana.

I like to help people by sharing my (limited) knowledge in this are. Not showing it off to make the other person feel their own ignorance.
(And y'all know what I'm talking about. We all know pretty much know who those type of people are in specific forums.)
And helping new people is also why I arranged for them to have a discount on their first order with HBF.

So yeah. If anybody has a "counter" to HBF, that they think will better meet the needs or interests of the new person looking for a "katana", then they should pipe up and explain to that person why they think their favored product would be better for them over HBF at that price point.
 
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