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Discussion in 'General Knife Discussion' started by not2sharp, Feb 28, 2019.
How will they ever recover.
Sears, JCPenney, Younkers, Kmart, Foot Locker, Ben Franklin, Gander Mountain, AND Shopko have all shuttered in my town.
Can't have anything to do with people doing the majority of their shopping online/saving a couple bucks...
Unless they've pissed off all the right people over the years and that's why they're no longer viable.
I haven't bought a Benchmade in years.
But they didn't do anything wrong. At all. They did some things that others don't agree with. Some of those people want Benchmade to suffer or come to their way of thinking. But Benchmade is run by people who are also free, and the product is decent.
I think Benchmade should just keep being Benchmade, and the outliers who want to see them bleed will get over it. Even if they never buy another. It won't matter.
If those for exsanguination are that motivated they should start researching everyone whom they purchase goods and services from to make sure they're 2A enough. Instead of crying foul after the fact.
I'm happy enough supporting an American company, first and foremost. Does anyone think China is pro-2A?
Smith and Wesson lost 100 million dollars in 8 month when they jumped on Clinton's gun control train.
They ended up selling the company for pennies on the dollar after their stock went to 19 cents a share.
This happened in less than a years time.
You can pretend if you like, but gun guys are serious with their money.
Only the chicken little variety, who think BM has to bend to there will or else. I have over 50 firearms, bought my house on the same street as the local gun club (The only house on the street), and am a veteran who believes in rights. So my "gun guy" credentials are legit. Still not gonna demand anyone does as I want or suffer wrath. That's as anti American as it gets. The absurdity of this outrage is astounding. BM is free to hold whatever political beliefs they want. They haven't broke any laws, taken anyone's guns, or done anything else that clearly says they want to. America isn't some banana republic were different views are evil. Get a grip, much greater problems exist for your outrage to be directed at. Guns are still cheap, plentiful, and if I'm being honest, ridiculously easy to get. The sky is NOT falling.
Yes I can carry a knife in public. A non locking folder with a sub 3 inch blade requires no reason to carry. If I'm sea fishing then I take a long fillet knife, if I'm in the woods then a bushcraft knife and axe. When I go to work I travel by train and take an Enzo Trapper 115 just incase the clients kitchen knives are bad.
Any publicity is good publicity!
I imagine many smaller gun shops will stop carrying them, but highly doubt larger retailers will. Most people who will buy a BM from a major retailer know nothing of the recent events and probably won’t research deep enough to find it.
reminds me of the quote:
"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
The anti-gun folks won't stop with guns, look at the UK's knife laws. You can do as you like, but I am done with BM.
I'm not outraged.
I posted up some facts.
BM made a few terrible mistakes, and then when they had a chance to just be honest, they said "hold my Benchmade and watch this...".
In this great land we have the freedom to choose where we shop.
The lesson here is keep politics and religion far away from your business.
I mean benchmade isn't anti gun, so I dont see the relevance.
I don't own any Benchmade knives, but I did buy the Hogue Doug Ritter knife to support kniferights.org. The Hogue impressed me with it's quality. I recommend it to anyone who wants to put their money to good use.
No one said they weren't. The problem that a lot of people have isn't with cutting up guns. I know I could care less about that. What a lot of us have an issue with is the fact that Benchmade says that they are "unwavering supporters of the Second Amendment". Then it comes out that they have made political donations to very anti-2A politicians. That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Knives are also cheap and plentiful. There are a lot of other USA made knives to choose from.
Again we are getting a lot of A=B comparisons and correlations without any evidence to back them up.
Did S&W pretty much collapse? Sure, but would it have happened anyway? Probably. When they did go to sell, did the company have any real assets to sell? Not really. Or at least this is my understanding of the history. One could probably blame Glock for the fall of S&W just as much as anything else. Regardless there has to be more than one step in the chain. Lots of other companies struggled in that time frame, and I don't think it had as much to do with the laws as many would like to think. Poor management and a lack of innovation probably did as much, or more damage to them.
As far as the rest of it goes, if Benchmade had to pay to play, or had to make the choice to support one devil over another, no matter which way you look at it; As the poet said "Don't hate the Playah, Hate the game"
You are eyes wide shut.
And that's ok.
The legislation that they supported was a joke. The ability to lock away a knife for interstate travel? That's worth the anti-2A votes?
As for pay to play, KAI doesn't grease the palms of politicians despite being in the same state.
Out of all the "gun guys" I know, ONE has some nice knives.
The rest have $3000 guns but carry a $30 knife.
"$150 for a KNIFE? I could put that money towards stuff for my guns!"
Knife guys are the ones who buy expensive knives.
Some knife guys also like guns.
My local gun store is not going to stop carrying Benchmade, but they also don't make orders to get more in all that often, due to how many gun guys DON'T buy nice knives.
I've had this exact conversation with at least two different gun guys. They would just prefer to spend that 150 on a gun when they've already got a few dozen of them. Most of them dont even carry knives.
Yep, plenty don't bother with a knife at all.
As knife enthusiasts, we like to think everyone else cares about knives...but many don't at all.
A=/=B KAI is a multinational with multiple brands. This means that any funds they give will have to be a layer removed, or so I understand. Playah v. Game
I can't speak to any supported legislation, as all are compromise and an attempt to solve a certain problem. If the problem is not agreed upon, then obviously the legislation will not be viewed as useful by one or more "sides".
As for locked transport, it makes sense to me since it would be difficult to know all the local and state laws along a certain route, and thus like the many cases of someone getting pulled over with alcohol, unknowingly in a dry county, having a transport exemption makes sense. Now, if the law was then not effective, that is a different story. I would see it as a stepping stone to locked transport for NFA items, or even interstate commerce and shipping. I would think it would solve many of the "how do I warranty my auto" problems that are faced. But not a thing I have to deal with, so I'm just speculating.
Obviously all organizational structures are going to do some things better than others. A republic/federalist is going to be theoretically more responsive on a local level, where as a unitary structure is going to provide more consistency across the country. Many of the structures we use today still contain the artifacts of past times, when distances were important to the speed of information travel. I'm not suggesting that one is inherently better, but that we need to recognize that these differences between jurisdictions do exist, and that there is not necessarily one "we the people" for all things at all times.
Any disagreement that stems from a "thus you are wrong" is going to be divisive rather than uniting, and thus more difficult. The more I watch the 2A debate, the more I see that there are two very distinct arguments happening, and thus a very angry argument that "all butterflies are blue" vs. "golf isn't a sport" and neither side holds the moral, logical or emotional high ground, despite claiming that they do. Keep in mind that the only dog I have in the 2A fight is that the numbers as currently presented which represent the US bleed into the debate for both Canada and Australia, thus the law of unintended consequences. I'll say that in this particular (BM) debate I've seen both "sides" use talking points and repeat "facts" that are not nearly as clear cut as they present. Not all individuals, but certainly both sides. Now I'm happy to elaborate further, but I have the distinct feeling from the past weeks that very few are actually keen to engage with ideas that conflict with their current views, and most are more eager to score points than actually work to define, let alone solve a problem.