Hawaii Legalizes Butterfly, Switchblade and Gravity Knives & More

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I got this email update from Knife Rights today. I had no idea such legislation was on the table in the Hawaii. This is awesome news in regard to the knives being legalized. Kind of sucks that it was part of a bill that enacted more firearms restrictions. As Doug says, it was likely to offset the ruling that the butterfly knife ban was unconstitutional under the 2nd Amendment. The state appealed that decision and they probably figured if they lose the appeal, some of their gun laws might fall into question.


Hawaii Governor Josh Green has signed HB2342 into law as Act 021. The new law repeals the bans on manufacture, sale, transfer, possession, and transportation of Butterfly Knives (Balisongs), Switchblades and Gravity Knives as well as Brass Knuckles (including Trench Knives and Karambits), Swords and Spears. The new law is effective immediately.



WARNING: Hawaii's bans on concealed carry of these knives is retained. These knives should only be open carried. Also, the new law increases penalties if they are used in the commission of a crime.



The new law also includes a number of anti-firearm measures.



This bill was filed at the request of the Governor. The question as to why a notoriously anti-Second Amendment governor would want to legalize these non-firearms weapons remains the subject of much discussion with no statement by the governor to date. However, Hawaii has recently been on the losing end of a number of Second Amendment lawsuits, most pointedly, Teter v Lopez challenging the state's ban on Butterfly Knives.



Last August a panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit held that Hawaii’s ban on butterfly knives violates the Second Amendment. Knife Rights filed an important amicus (friend of the court) brief in support of the appellants in this case.



Responding to Hawaii's request, in February the Ninth Circuit announced that it will hear oral arguments in June for a rehearing en banc (the whole court) that could overturn the 3-0 panel decision in Teter that Hawaii’s ban on Butterfly Knives is unconstitutional under the Second Amendment.



It sure seems likely that this is an attempt to avoid a decision that might adversely affect the state's extreme firearms restrictions. Whether the repeal of the law moots Teter (meaning that the case has lost its practical significance because the underlying controversy has been resolved) remains to be seen.



The retention of the concealed carry ban potentially creates an issue with Butterfly Knives that could well still keep the case alive. Unlike Switchblades and Gravity Knives, that have for decades been readily available with a pocket clip, Butterfly Knives have been commonly designed to be carried within a pocket and are not usually fitted with a pocket clip. Whether the en banccourt agrees remains to be seen.



Congratulations are due Alan Beck and Stephen Stamboulieh, the plaintiffs' attorneys in Teter. Beck said, "Today is a great day for liberty in Hawaii. I am proud that our litigation compelled Hawaii to change its law. However, Hawaii's failure to remove its concealed carry restrictions means that we will need to continue our litigation."



Knife Rights Chairman Doug Ritter said, "this is a huge victory for knife owners and knifemakers in Hawaii. Knife Rights is proud to have played a role with our Amicus Brief in the Teter v Lopezappeal which resulted in a huge Second Amendment win for all knife owners and Second Amendment supporters. Credit also to San Diego County Gun Owners Political Action Committee and Firearms Policy Coalition who joined us on that amicus."



Ritter added, "While Knife Rights welcomes this new law loosening of restrictions on knife possession, it does not finish the job in Hawaii. We still have work to do and look forward to working with our friends to continue the fight until there are no restrictions on carry in Hawaii."



The Hawaii Firearms Coalition, which provided financial support for the lawsuit, is planning a celebration of the new law. We will provide details in our social media and via a News Slice email as soon as we get them.
 
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These knives should only be open carried...

The retention of the concealed carry ban potentially creates an issue with Butterfly Knives that could well still keep the case alive. Unlike Switchblades and Gravity Knives, that have for decades been readily available with a pocket clip, Butterfly Knives have been commonly designed to be carried within a pocket and are not usually fitted with a pocket clip.

Since the only thing legalized is "open carry" and concealed carry will still be illegal -- and since Hawaii's Supreme Court effectively rendered the right to arms null and void -- how does one "open carry" a butterfly knife?
 
It’s hard to applaud it as a victory if it contains anti gun language.

Maybe I’m missing something.
no youre not missing anything really.

the way I'm understanding it was they had to do it to avoid losing in court case potential. so they gave up something they cared less about to avoid potentially losing the whole control game. meanwhile don't think they wouldn't have passed anti-gun laws anyways regardless of giving anything up. nothing stopped them before doing it as we've seen and still see and so that would have happened regardless......

tying the two together is cause they were rolled into one bill. that was, imo, done so they could explain to their core voter group....look we stopped "gun violence."

it's all politics and game playing......always has been, always will be......
 
Can somebody explain to me Smoky Mountain Knifeworks’ logic here? This says they won’t sell automatics to Hawaii because concealed carry isn’t legal, but they’re selling them to Oregon and North Carolina and you can’t conceal them in either of those states either. https://smkw.com/automatic-knife-restrictions

Their info on Virginia also needs updated. Virginia allows concealment as long as the blade isn’t a stiletto or dagger. And what’s crazier is that they were selling them to Virginia when they didn’t allow concealment all the while refusing to sell them to Maryland for that same reason! Who is running their page? Is it really asking that much to have a little consistency in your store policies?
 
It's not always black and white. Some States may have a known history of aggressively going after businesses that ship items they don't like to the State. Truthfully I don't know the answer but I have read NYC has threatened businesses. The business may not want to get caught up in an expensive legal battle against attorneys working on a state payroll.
 
Businesses that wont sell to other states because of their laws, perceived or real, always amuse me. The Attorney Generals of HI and NY have precisely zero jurisdiction on a business operating in another state. Its especially funny since so many manufacturers and retailers basically ignore the old Federal switchblade laws anyway. Its all bullshit, since I just bought a ball bearing 3" flipper from Walmart that opens faster than an OTS with a safety, and is 50 state legal as far as I can tell.
 
yup, some dealers wont ship to nyc, it could be something totally legal, but just cause its an NYC address nope. absolutely not. an NYS address sometimes fly. the legal hassle is just not worth the business to them.
 
I have been told that state attorneys often use the fact that they have lawyers on their payroll and access to investigators all at taxpayers expense.

A business on the other hand has to pay for lawyers and investigators and can wind up spending a large amounts of money as well as losing a lot of time fighting these cases and when it is all over will have to sue for lost revenue, time, and punitive damages. This is even more costs and time the business has to pay for what may be an uncertain outcome.

It's naive to think just because you will eventually win everything will be all right when in fact a business may lose whether they win or lose.

At the end of the day some political candidate up for reelection who could care less about funds, resources, time, and taxpayers money being diverted from things we truly desperately need but apparently a bargain compared to addressing real problems like education, mental health, housing, poverty, unemployment etc... winds up garnering votes from ignorant, misinformed people and campaign funders with their own agendas that contribute large amounts of money.

In NYC we have had polls where people have overwhelming agreed that the knife laws are unfair and rotten. There was a knife reform law in NY that was overwhelmingly approved and passed by NY state legislators which followed a Village Voice article that exposed the fact that thousands and thousands of working people, especially minorites were being arrested and given criminal records for carrying knives they could buy in local stores with no problem. A good portion also used their knives for work. At the end of the day then acting Governor Mario Cuomo simply vetoed it.

Knife rights took them to court later. Rather than face the very real risk of losing after which the legal precedent would be very hard to reverse NYS repealed the gravity knife law and declared the case moot. This gives them an opportunity to reintroduce these laws if/when the political climate changes in the courts.

NYS then added assisted opening knives to their definition of switch blades. They also claim they can enforce their old gravity knife laws on MTA property a position currently being challenged.

This can be very intimidating to a business. If I owned a knife business I would also be concerned for the well being of my customers in places like NYC.
 
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NYS then added assisted opening knives to their definition of switch blades. They also claim they can enforce their old gravity knife laws on MTA property a position currently being challenged.
The legislative definition in NY wasn’t changed. The issue with assisted openers was from a court case where a guy was arrested in NYC for carrying what the cop thought was a switchblade. The guy and his lawyer tried to challenge it, but the court simply ruled the knife was a switchblade without examining the key technical aspects that made it differ from a switchblade and upheld the conviction. The decision has put assisted openers on a shaky legal ground in NY as all the major retail outlets in the state still sell them, but carrying one now puts you at a higher risk of arrest that wasn’t there before. The decision is probably going to be overturned at some point by one of the federal courts.
 
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