Hawk vs Spike for Camping/Bushcraft Tomahawk

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So, I know this issue has been discussed before, but I wanted some feedback on specific uses for each in a camping or bushcraft scenario. I have a Coal Creek Forge hawk with a hammer poll that I love, but I don't really see much of a use for the hammer when camping. What do I ever really need to hammer in the woods, ever? Tent stakes?

Would a spike be more useful in the woods? I haven't really used one myself, but I imagine it would work well for digging or any occasion you may wish to "set" the hawk in a log to stabilize the blade for some usage.

Around home, I totally see the hammer winning. But in the back country, is the hammer really of much use? What specific uses do you have for each in this (backcountry/woods/etc) setting?

Thanks for your feedback!
 
I couldn't think of any realistic use for the spike in camp. It also adds a very real and unnecessary risk for injury which is a big no no in the field.

On the other hand, I use my hawks/hatchet/forest axe/kukri all the time in camp and at work and I use the hammer a lot. Hardly a day goes by where you are not repairing this and that, setting up and taking down shelters, clothes lines, smaching something, etc. etc. etc. I don't think its even a contest, the spike brings little or no gain and lots of risk where the hammer brings no risk and tons of gain.
 
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New to Tomahawks but not new to the woods. I've taken my new hawk out on short hikes almost daily for the past week or so. The trails overgrow quickly here so I constant trim or chop the growth. The spike works great to hook objects slightly out of normal reach(picking fruit or removing low dead branches). You can root around in rotten logs for fishing bait. Yesterday I was trying to catch a huge soft shell turtle in a shallow area of the creek. I got hold of it a couple times but it got away. Had I been determined to catch it for food the spike would have been the ideal method. You already mentioned digging. It could be used as a climbing spike to assist you in steep spots to climb such as out of a creek bed.
You do have to watch it and treat it with respect cause it could bite!
The Only thing I use my hatchet's hammer side in camping is driving tent stakes and occasionally using it to drive a wood wedge for splitting. With my spike hawk I'd just cut a "baton " to drive tent stakes.
I went with the spike set-up primarily for breaching and extraction at work . Since Sunday night I had 2 callouts and 3 days of training the hawk wasn't used or needed .

It looks like I'll probably get more use out of it on my outdoor excursions.

Finally the spike looks cooler. . .
 
I think a spike on an axe used for camping would be useless, unless your camp is near a marijuana plantation. A poll or hammer comes in handy in camp.
 
Might it depend on the type of camp you have? I would think the more minimalistic the camp, the less use one would have for a hammer? But with more equipment, I could see a hammer definitely becoming more and more useful. However, like you mentioned WJC01, a baton could easily be crafted to do a lot of the work a hammer would do. A climbing aid is a really good example too. Also, thanks for giving specifics!

Spikes do pose an extra danger though it seems. I imagine that a blunter spike would help mitigate some of that, but still...

I think my opinion is the opposite of most. I actually prefer the aesthetics of the hammer, as it reminds me of the pipe tomahawks and doesn't look like something I'd hurt myself with, but in a relatively minimalistic camping/trekking scenario the spike seems more useful to me. Maybe I'm just totally overlooking obvious uses for the hammer, however?
 
Spikes do pose an extra danger though it seems. I imagine that a blunter spike would help mitigate some of that, but still...

There are examples of historical tomahawks which seem to have had their spikes deliberately blunted.

I have a custom tomahawk coming soon with a short, sort-of blunt spike. The concept is it's not for piercing but rather bashing. Perhaps like a single flanged mace I suppose.
 
I have no experience with hawks, with or without spikes but I have sometimes missed having that sort of spike with me in the woods. Where I live its mostly boreal forests and digging, for various purposes, is not easy because of all the roots. A spike of some sort, Ive been looking at one of those small firemans axes, I think would come in handy. And if Im going to carry an axe either way then the spike is free, wheight wise. It would also spare the edge of the axe when collecting fatwood.
 
Good call! The more I think about it, it seems like the usefulness of each is totally dependent on where you are going to be. That is kind of a bummer. I think I'm back at square one. I guess I need two tomahawks then...
 
Good call! The more I think about it, it seems like the usefulness of each is totally dependent on where you are going to be. That is kind of a bummer. I think I'm back at square one. I guess I need two tomahawks then...

I think you need three...
 
Slightly old thread, but.....

As said spikes can be used for digging, as a climbing aid, can be set into wood to make dragging the wood easier, etc. Hammers can be used to......hit stuff.

So, look at it this way: which is easier to fashion in the field, a spike, or a hammer? I'll say it's easier to get a decent sized rock or stick, or lash a rock to a stick, than to try and get a field-expedient spike to do what a metal spike can.

As fro safety, it's no less safe having the spike facing up when you are chopping, than having the edge facing up on a hammer poll hawk when you're hammering. Whether a hammer or spike poll, if you have any of your body in the path whne you are swinging it, you'e doing it wrong, and are unsafe to begin with.
 
I REALLY like the point you just made. Many people are quick to tout the dangers of a spike while chopping with the blade-end of a spike hawk, but you never hear the dangers of the blade-end being touted when hammering with a hammer-poll hawk.
 
I think part of the safety issue is in making the axe safe in camp means burying the bit in wood, either a log , a piece of firewood or a standing dead tree. Same is not possible with either a spike or a double bit. Carrying unsheathed could also complicate safety. I do see uses for the spike though and look forward to trying one.

Bill
 
My Shrike comes with a nice kydex sheath so it stays covered when not in use. Although a hammers handy I've yet to have a need for one on my excursions.
 
Camping light is one of the reasons you might need a spike hawk. When you can only carry it in, then the easy to use farm tools some prefer in the back of the truck or tractor toolbox get left behind. That tool also needs to be a lot more versatile and replace two or three you can't carry. Like soldiers on patrol, another pound of gear on top of the other 45-60 is something to seriously justify.

Here in the Ozarks, roughing it out in the woodland usually means sleeping on slopes - if it's flat, it's farmed, or too close to water. Hearing the rhythmic creaking of old Jeeps and broken ABS from canoes wrapped around trees over your head doesn't inspire much confidence in the forecast. Better to get upslope and into the wind so that there are less mosquitos. Doing that, you need to remove the common scourge of the Ozarks - rocks. The Ozarks plateau is older than most, much of the topsoil washed down thousands of years ago. Rocks are much more dominant and close to the surface, and they tend to split into shards here, usually because of the cold winters and the action of freezing water. Our plants are equally sharp edged, and the combination of both aggressively attacks whatever you place on the ground - a tarp, Goretex, your backside.

Since you can't take a backhoe and gravel truck to prepare a sleeping site, at least a spike hawk lashed to your pack will do. Hammering the rocks into submission won't help, it just fractures them and they get even sharper. Pry them out of the ground, and you might fashion a 24X72 inch spot to lay down and sleep, preserving your expensive gear. When you back pack or camp light, it's your survival gear that protects your survival gear.

When you use the local firewood to cook, dig a hole in the ground with the spike, and use the back fill as your screen. To put it out, scrape the soil back over, and it will be unsterilized and recover more quickly. Less trace of your presence - as opposed to the half burnt logs I've frequently found as obvious evidence someone was there. Sometimes a really nice site needs to look like nobody ever stays there, and that helps to keep it that way.

If it is a well used campground, or as one poster mentioned, out in Texas, having a spike hawk helps start a hole for a tent peg in hardened ground. It also allows you to dig for other personal needs when you don't plan to pack out everything you packed in and ate. Nobody talks about it, but you need to dig and bury it.

Could you do that with a hammer head hawk, yes - if it's got an integral shaft, not a slip in wood one. The handle of one piece hawks on the market can be used as a pry bar. The key issue is, how much leverage can it exert? You can rate that by how much it will raise something per a full stroke of the tool. Most won't lift more than one inch and a half. A spike hawk can lift 4 inches or more if it's a convex curve head. More prying ability with more leverage in an easier to use way.

Spike hawks may not be traditional in a commonly accepted way, but what isn't changing in this world? A century ago, outdoorsmen in America wouldn't consider using the machete, now it's an alternative to the hatchet they did use. Things come around and go around - the hawk is back in a new light with a different appreciation, one piece construction and a spike used as a prying tool have done that.
 
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