help request: stolen HDFK, GSO 2.7, BOSS Street

nandok

nandok

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Dear CPK Family, I hate to pop in here out of nowhere to ask for help; it's been a long time since I've contributed to this forum. And here I am. Ugh. They were stolen from my kid day before yesterday. Let's not get into how. If y'all see these knives for sale anywhere, I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd be in touch. They'd most likely be shipping from Hawaii. I'll hopefully get better pics soon.

#1) CPK HDFK, D3V, streaky antique micarta
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#2) Survive GSO 2.7, red linen micarta
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#3) Busse BOSS Street, well worn black coating
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Thank you very much for reading,
Fernando
 
Feeling badly for your loss of these knives Fernando in the manner which you have reported. I have swept eBay and will keep sweeping but I doubt that they'll show up there if indeed they were stolen for financial gains. I don't do Reddit or IG so perhaps if others who are familiar with buying / selling on those venues can also be on the look out.

You have mentioned that you are not willing to get into the details which is your prerogative but what makes you think that this foul play may lead for these knives to make their way into the market? Any chance that someone was scouting your kid, to coin your own phrase, too lift these knives for other reasons? Do you have a homeowner's policy or renter's policy that covers certain personal belongings in order to mitigate their commercial loss, even if not able to replace their intangible value to you?
 
Thanks y'all. Casino, thank you very much for your help! I say I don't wanna get into it 'cause it really triggers me livid when I think about it...he left them hanging in a backpack in a tree on the beach...he was fishing..."my kid" the phrase I decided on in the moment to express the relationship without any further explanation...more specifically and properly he's neither mine nor a child; he's 25 now and I've been in a kind of father/mentor/brother role in his life since he was maybe 7; we're quite close. We have an issue with meth out here and that's the type of folk who typically scout out beaches and parking lots here and usually hit tourists, looking for drug money. I don't know why they targeted him. I figure they might search the names on the knives and realize their value and try to sell them. And to achieve that they have to find others who value these knives and so they might end up somehow visible in some of your paths. And yes, it is entirely possible that they might never surface again. :( shucks.
 
That sucks!
Unfortunately, if you are right about the type of person that stole them, they will sell the whole lot for $50-$100.
I hope they do try to sell them somewhere on the interweb. At least then you will have a shot at getting them back. I’ll keep an eye out!
Sorry and best of luck.
 
Start checking and put the word out with the local pawn shops boss. Unfortunatly, local law enforcement is likely over worked and has bigger fish to fry than to go rooting around the local shitholes for your knives. So, gonna have to do that leg work yourself.

Around here, it is chainsaws and other tools that get taken by the tweakers. They often run right down to the local pawn shop for the quick cash to get the next hit. Craigslist is also another fairly quick avenue to get a buck, I would watch there too.
 
Fernando, thank you for providing the extra information. Maybe you should dangle another knife as a bait to catch the same thief(ves). Nah, bad idea to take the law into your own hands with methheads! Perhaps offer a reward locally for their safe repatriation in addition to hitting the pawn shops as already suggested?
 
If you file a police report typically the police will distribute a notice to pawn shops in the area and where, as here, the knives are unique, it creates an opportunity for the pawn shops to identify the person who comes in trying to sell them. I wouldn't necessarily mention that the knives were located in a bag hanging off of a tree, but just say that they were in a bag on the beach and someone went in the bag while they were in the water. Deciding to take the law into your own hands against some faceless "meth head" is a bad idea because, even thought this meth head is a completely imaginary person, we know they like stealing knives and have less to lose than you, so you're taking your life into your own hands over some knives. Knives that were left in an unattended backpack hanging on a tree. If you found a backpack hanging on a tree and it was slightly open and contained a few 5 kg gold bars, and there was nobody around, what would you do? Anyway, I'm pretty sure the police taking the information and pictures of the knives is the best shot of recovering them. You need the report filed anyway since if you see the knives come up for sale somewhere, you want to be able to immediately call the police officer who is handling your case without having to explain the whole thing.
 
+1 on the police report if not already filed, unless there were other reasons not file, such as the person who was in possession of those knives at the time was not supposed to have knives in his possession or have access to. I really don't know much about the HI knife laws when it comes to fixed blades at their beaches!

These knives more likely than not have more monetary value to those thieves than something to keep for whatever other reasons. However if you suspect that those knives may be used for other nefarious causes by those thieves, yet that's another reason to have the incident reported and to have on file.
 
I hate seeing storries like this, it really irks me. I had some tweeker that would visit my truck in the middle of the night outside my house.
I spent many nights waiting up late sittiing in the dark up on my deck above my truck with a shotgun.
Sure enough the treaker came back.
The sound of racking a shell in the ol 12 guage sure caught his attention as i stood up.
I simply let him know if he takes one more step further on to my property, it not going to end well.
He high tailed it out of there and i have not seen him or missi g anything out of my truck since. This is differnt though since it was on my property.
I still couldnt have shot him due to laws, but a beating sure would have been nice, lol

I second the pawn shop idea.
Or is there an area there where there are street vendors, or swap meets?

And Fonedork Fonedork
If i came across an open bad of gold bars, i would have a seat until the owner returned, so that scum bags wouldnt steal it.
I would hope most of you would do the same.
True character comes out when no one is looking
 
I've been burgled several times in recent years, and humbly, possibly ignorantly, offer a counter suggestion: consider NOT notifying pawn shops, but simply visit them routinely, keeping a low profile, in the hopes the knives will be put up for sale and you can purchase them. Depending on local laws, you may then be able to provide your proof of ownership and seek reimbursement from the pawn. Consult local laws or an attorney to be certain about recovery rights./processes.

point being, decide what you want. the thief, or the knives. I asked myself what is most realistic in these cases. Attempts to identify the thief by notifying pawn shops, though noble and the "right" thing to do, may simply make it more likely that they don't resurface in your area in the near future. Who would actually report them, detain them, and do they have motivation to do so?

Is the pawn a straight shooter, or one who would buy the knives and just leave them under the counter for a few months until the search has been abandoned? If those knives come into a shop, what will happen? will the seller be using a real id? will the shopkeeper detain them? or bother to report them, and risk alienating their highest profit suppliers? if its one of the pawn shop's regular suppliers, as may be the case with addict thieves, they might be leveraged not to report the items out of fear that the seller would roll on them and report prior receipt of stolen property. and what if the seller is reported and caught? minor charges, then back on the street. If the pawn shop buys them and turns them over to you, will they be compensated, or do they eat the loss? If they turn away the seller because they recognize stolen goods, will they still be able to get the seller's id? I sound pessimistic, but unfortunately, realistic. My personal experience with pawn shops is that a relevant percentage of their clientele may be thieves or folks inclined to purchase from thieves and then fence the items with plausible deniability through a pawn. Cooperation in recovery efforts has been non existent.

My experience, I felt that nearly everyone I would need assistance from had motivation counter to mine. Helping me would mean work or risk for them, so it was unlikely they would try. It is not an industry known for integrity and kind hearsts ( I know exceptions exist). I believe your best bet is to stay quiet until they pop up at pawn, and buy them back. then exercise legal muscle. The shop can be compelled to produce the seller's info to police after the fact, it is all logged. Thief or not, at least at that point you may have your sentimental items back. and again, you may have leverage to seek reimbursement for your purchase dollars in some states, if you have adequate proof of prior ownership and the seller/pawn does not.

I am not a LEO or attorney, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. but I've been through this a lot. So sorry for your loss and for the violation, Nandok. Trust and comfort are hard to restore. Good luck.
 
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Packerrat said:
I've been burgled several times in recent years, and humbly, possibly ignorantly, offer a counter suggestion: consider NOT notifying pawn shops, but simply visit them routinely, keeping a low profile, in the hopes the knives will be put up for sale and you can purchase them. Depending on local laws, you may then be able to provide your proof of ownership and seek reimbursement from the pawn. Consult local laws or an attorney to be certain about recovery rights./processes.

point being, decide what you want. the thief, or the knives. I asked myself what is most realistic in these cases. Attempts to identify the thief by notifying pawn shops, though noble and the "right" thing to do, may simply make it more likely that they don't resurface in your area in the near future. Who would actually report them, detain them, and do they have motivation to do so?

Is the pawn a straight shooter, or one who would buy the knives and just leave them under the counter for a few months until the search has been abandoned? If those knives come into a shop, what will happen? will the seller be using a real id? will the shopkeeper detain them? or bother to report them, and risk alienating their highest profit suppliers? if its one of the pawn shop's regular suppliers, as may be the case with addict thieves, they might be leveraged not to report the items out of fear that the seller would roll on them and report prior receipt of stolen property. and what if the seller is reported and caught? minor charges, then back on the street. If the pawn shop buys them and turns them over to you, will they be compensated, or do they eat the loss? If they turn away the seller because they recognize stolen goods, will they still be able to get the seller's id? I sound pessimistic, but unfortunately, realistic. My personal experience with pawn shops is that a relevant percentage of their clientele may be thieves or folks inclined to purchase from thieves and then fence the items with plausible deniability through a pawn. Cooperation in recovery efforts has been non existent.

My experience, I felt that nearly everyone I would need assistance from had motivation counter to mine. Helping me would mean work or risk for them, so it was unlikely they would try. It is not an industry known for integrity and kind hearsts ( I know exceptions exist). I believe your best bet is to stay quiet until they pop up at pawn, and buy them back. then exercise legal muscle. The shop can be compelled to produce the seller's info to police after the fact, it is all logged. Thief or not, at least at that point you may have your sentimental items back. and again, you may have leverage to seek reimbursement for your purchase dollars in some states, if you have adequate proof of prior ownership and the seller/pawn does not.

I am not a LEO or attorney, so take my opinion with a grain of salt. but I've been through this a lot. So sorry for your loss and for the violation, Nandok. Trust and comfort are hard to restore. Good luck.
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To this end, I can expand on my original thought when I brought up the pawn shop. It was never about catching the turd, it was always about getting you knife back, even if that meant paying for it all over again. I would not expect many shops to do anything to catch the thief. However, if they know you are looking or expecting those knives to turn up and that you would like to have them back, even if you have to pay, no questions asked, they may be able to help.

Additionally, I fully expected a police report would have already been filed. I was just saying they will not expend much effort or resources on finding them, nor would I expect them to.

Lastly, if the perp was ever caught, maybe you can become friends, give them a break and take them fishing. I recall tiger sharks are very indiscriminate eaters.
 
good thoughts Grenock, and an indicator of your elevated integrity. I didn't mean to attack or insult your premise, just had a lot of experience with recovery efforts that made me pessimistic. I like the idea of a quiet finders fee with a pawn, but I still consider how much profit in the deal is worth them risking their shop, or any kind of headache with police. Doing a finders deal with Nandok makes them culpable, knowingly accepting and selling stolen property. If Nandok changed his mind mid-deal, they'd be in a bad place. A lot of risk for a small profit of $20, $200? I believe in forum members like you, but Pawns I've sifted through- not so much. I fear they would just sit on stolen goods until there is radio silence. This type of procedure is their stock and trade. These types of addict sellers are their highest margin deals. Everyone has to do their own math- how much time, effort, and morale is each option worth. but it lifts my morale to see responses like yours here. Love ya', BladeForums.
 
First off sorry for the loss that sucks.

You on Oahu? I'm over on Kauai and will keep an eye out but don't see anything on Craig's List and unfortunately recovery is probably unlikely. I'm assuming he lost a bunch of lures and other items as well which are very "useable" so motivation to sell/flip may not be there.

Offering a no questions asked reward for return on Craig's list might be your best bet. Good luck.
 
nandok said:
Thanks y'all. Casino, thank you very much for your help! I say I don't wanna get into it 'cause it really triggers me livid when I think about it...he left them hanging in a backpack in a tree on the beach...he was fishing..."my kid" the phrase I decided on in the moment to express the relationship without any further explanation...more specifically and properly he's neither mine nor a child; he's 25 now and I've been in a kind of father/mentor/brother role in his life since he was maybe 7; we're quite close. We have an issue with meth out here and that's the type of folk who typically scout out beaches and parking lots here and usually hit tourists, looking for drug money. I don't know why they targeted him. I figure they might search the names on the knives and realize their value and try to sell them. And to achieve that they have to find others who value these knives and so they might end up somehow visible in some of your paths. And yes, it is entirely possible that they might never surface again. :( shucks.
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if that is the case contactimg local pawn shops might be the first place they would end up ... they probably wouldn't have a clue what they have.
 
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