Help with double barrel shotguns..

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I've been looking for a side by side. I have other shotguns and want a side by side simply because I remember shooting them was little and have the urge to get one. I'm having a hard time making a choice and to be honest I was a little shocked at some of the prices these are commanding. I'd like some recommendations. Of course pics are always welcome. :)
 
Don't have any pics., but the new Double Defense by Stoeger looks interesting. The January 2010 SI has a fairly good review. For a classic SXS double..., you can't beat a Beretta Silver Hawk. Good Luck.
 
When I was a kid I use to hunt with an L.C. Smith12, Marlin took them over , good gun back then, 40 years ago.
 
The only one I had much expereince with is the Rossi Overland (12ga, 20", exposed hammers). Had pretty harsh recoil with 3" magnums but it did balance well. It was my Mom's favorite house gun. She taped a flashlight to the underside, nested well right in front of the forened.
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I have Stoeger Uplander, it's a cheaply priced quality gun. I have used it for the last few years and love it even when compared to higher priced guns like Berattas and Benellis.
 
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Hi,

How much money do you want to spend and what kind and volume of shooting do you want to do with it?

SxS's fall into two types with no in-between. Really expensive and really cheap. And this is because there tends to be a lot of hand work and fitting that goes into making them. You can't simply bash out parts with a punch press like you can for an 870 or 500. The more you spend, the more handwork is done by better trained and experienced workers using better materials to make sure it's done right. Cheaper guns use cheaper materials and cheaper, less trained workers for a crap-shoot quality.

On the stupid expensive side we have Be-Spoke guns made to order which can run from x0,000's to x000,000's. They are usable pieces of art.

Then we have the used market of collectible SxS's. That L.C. Smith that H2OCutter mentions is very much a collectible and will cost at least several thousand for a shooter. The last Elsie I considered buying was a basket case repairable. The price was still $500. I was admiring some Browning BSS just yesterday. The cheapest was over $4000. NID's are perhaps the cheapest of the collectibles, running right around $1000 to $2500 for good shooters. It would be neglectful not to mention Stevens here too. The 311 was the "workingman's" SxS for over 50 years. They are cheap and common to find even yet today. Though there is some interest in collecting developing. Good used ones can be still found for under $500. But many have been used hard and put up wet. And they seldom exhibit the nicest fit and finish or handling characteristics. My very first new shotgun was a Steven's 311 in 16ga. Bought new from Montgomery-Wards for $120. It's long since gone and I frankly don't miss it.

On the cheap side, we have the already mentioned Stoegers, (now owned by Benelli). I have own and used several of them, (12ga. 28" tubes and 3" chambers). Mostly as beaters and loaners. They were reasonable guns for the just under $300 I paid for them. One developed a problem with the safety coming on under recoil, (this is a known common problem with these guns, it is repairable though). I traded it off for a Stoeger Condor 1 O/U. The remaining SxS is still being used without trouble by the guy I sold it to. The Stoeger line is made in Brazil by E.R Amantino. My biggest dislike of the Steogers is weight. An 8lbs. gun is not fun to carry all day in the field hunting. And a gun that heavy is not quick enough handling for shooting over flushing dogs in heavy cover.

Remington markets the Baikal under the Sportsman name. The Baikals were marketed for a time under their own name until Remington licensed them to sell. As with most anything Russian, they have a reputation for combining reasonable ruggedness with ugly. I have not owned one but have handled many and have shot a few. Like the Stoegers, they are definitely over weight and have all the handling characteristics of a cedar fence post. And as a deal killer for me as a left-handed shooter, the stocks are factory bent with about a 1/4" of cast-off for right handed shooters, (lefty's need cast-on). This is a common thing on guns made primarily for the European markets.

The last cheapie I'll mention is the CZ line. They are made in Turkey by Huglu. Which is actually a kind of consortium of factories. Of the cheapies they are perhaps the nicest made. Sporting svelte lines and lighter weight like a proper game-gun should. They are also stocked in some of the nicest Turkish Walnut you might happen to see. Mechanically, they can have problems with broken firing pins. This is due to some inconsistency in the heat treating. With some being too hard and others too soft. There are also reports of doubling problems. But CZ so far has been good about replacing or repairing them. I think Briley's does the repair work on them in the US. I would love to own a Bobwhite model in 20ga. They are dual triggered with the straight English grip. But they are made with a varying amount of cast-off for right handed shooters.:grumpy:

This is getting to be waaay to long. So I'll end it here. But these are a short list of some common SxS's and my observations of them.

dalee
 
I have Stoeger Uplander, it's a cheaply priced quality gun. I have used it for the last few years and love it.

I looked at that model but I'm looking for 20'' barrel length.
 
Definitely choose a model with external hammers.

Avoid buying an antique.

Consider getting a 20 gauge instead of a 12, as it'll be more pleasant to shoot.
 
Hi,

How much money do you want to spend and what kind and volume of shooting do you want to do with it?

SxS's fall into two types with no in-between. Really expensive and really cheap. And this is because there tends to be a lot of hand work and fitting that goes into making them. You can't simply bash out parts with a punch press like you can for an 870 or 500. The more you spend, the more handwork is done by better trained and experienced workers using better materials to make sure it's done right. Cheaper guns use cheaper materials and cheaper, less trained workers for a crap-shoot quality.

On the stupid expensive side we have Be-Spoke guns made to order which can run from x0,000's to x000,000's. They are usable pieces of art.

Then we have the used market of collectible SxS's. That L.C. Smith that H2OCutter mentions is very much a collectible and will cost at least several thousand for a shooter. The last Elsie I considered buying was a basket case repairable. The price was still $500. I was admiring some Browning BSS just yesterday. The cheapest was over $4000. NID's are perhaps the cheapest of the collectibles, running right around $1000 to $2500 for good shooters. It would be neglectful not to mention Stevens here too. The 311 was the "workingman's" SxS for over 50 years. They are cheap and common to find even yet today. Though there is some interest in collecting developing. Good used ones can be still found for under $500. But many have been used hard and put up wet. And they seldom exhibit the nicest fit and finish or handling characteristics. My very first new shotgun was a Steven's 311 in 16ga. Bought new from Montgomery-Wards for $120. It's long since gone and I frankly don't miss it.

On the cheap side, we have the already mentioned Stoegers, (now owned by Benelli). I have own and used several of them, (12ga. 28" tubes and 3" chambers). Mostly as beaters and loaners. They were reasonable guns for the just under $300 I paid for them. One developed a problem with the safety coming on under recoil, (this is a known common problem with these guns, it is repairable though). I traded it off for a Stoeger Condor 1 O/U. The remaining SxS is still being used without trouble by the guy I sold it to. The Stoeger line is made in Brazil by E.R Amantino. My biggest dislike of the Steogers is weight. An 8lbs. gun is not fun to carry all day in the field hunting. And a gun that heavy is not quick enough handling for shooting over flushing dogs in heavy cover.

Remington markets the Baikal under the Sportsman name. The Baikals were marketed for a time under their own name until Remington licensed them to sell. As with most anything Russian, they have a reputation for combining reasonable ruggedness with ugly. I have not owned one but have handled many and have shot a few. Like the Stoegers, they are definitely over weight and have all the handling characteristics of a cedar fence post. And as a deal killer for me as a left-handed shooter, the stocks are factory bent with about a 1/4" of cast-off for right handed shooters, (lefty's need cast-on). This is a common thing on guns made primarily for the European markets.

The last cheapie I'll mention is the CZ line. They are made in Turkey by Huglu. Which is actually a kind of consortium of factories. Of the cheapies they are perhaps the nicest made. Sporting svelte lines and lighter weight like a proper game-gun should. They are also stocked in some of the nicest Turkish Walnut you might happen to see. Mechanically, they can have problems with broken firing pins. This is due to some inconsistency in the heat treating. With some being too hard and others too soft. There are also reports of doubling problems. But CZ so far has been good about replacing or repairing them. I think Briley's does the repair work on them in the US. I would love to own a Bobwhite model in 20ga. They are dual triggered with the straight English grip. But they are made with a varying amount of cast-off for right handed shooters.:grumpy:

This is getting to be waaay to long. So I'll end it here. But these are a short list of some common SxS's and my observations of them.

dalee

Tons of great info...thanks so much. You had me laughing a few times as well. :)
 
Look around for a nice used Savage or Stevens sxs. Don't let the dealers at the gunshows try to tell you that they are now collector's guns, they are users. The last Stevens 311s we sold at the store that I worked at were retailed at $199.99. They had a very cheaply finished plain stock on them but the mechanicals were as good as they ever were.
 
Look around for a nice used Savage or Stevens sxs. Don't let the dealers at the gunshows try to tell you that they are now collector's guns, they are users. The last Stevens 311s we sold at the store that I worked at were retailed at $199.99. They had a very cheaply finished plain stock on them but the mechanicals were as good as they ever were.

what he said x2
 
I'd really enjoy a 28 gauge SxS. They are often sleeker and lighter than even 20 gauges but the 28 gauge typically throws a considerably better pattern than a 410. Great upland gun.

DancesWithKnives
 
I own a Remington "Spartan" - which I belive is one of those shotguns imported from Russian. No external hammers. I bought it because it was a good price and I've always wanted one (too many John Wayne movies growing up). They are a blast to shoot - and there's just something about being at the range, breaking that thing open and loading up. Hope you find one.
 
Look for a decent used Fox side by side and you will not go wrong.
 
The Russian made 'coach guns,' a short 12 gauge dbl barrel with exposed hammers are pretty good too. I got one a while back and it is a ball to shoot. Not a good hunting gun with 18 inch barrels but would surely be wicked for SD.
 
I'd really enjoy a 28 gauge SxS. They are often sleeker and lighter than even 20 gauges but the 28 gauge typically throws a considerably better pattern than a 410. Great upland gun.

DancesWithKnives

Hi,

I think CZ is offering a 28ga. SxS in their Huglu line. And it's supposed to be built on the proper frame size to boot. I've not seen or handled the 28ga. myself. The cost should still be under a grand for one though, ($800ish or so). I really hope that CZ can get them to improve the quality. I tend to view them much like Spanish guns from the '60s. Problematic, but with potential.

Interestingly, it was Beretta that set the Turks up to make parts for them and their line of firearms. All new CNC machining centers and factories back in the late '90s and early '00s.

dalee
 
I picked up a blued CZ over/under a couple years ago.
Been a really good trap and grouse gun., thinking of slug hunting with it this fall as well.(big slimy bastid's here in BC)
Walnut and steel for a reasonable price as mentioned.
They are a good buy when you see the prices around, mine is a newer gun and I think their QC has improved the last few years.
 
If you want a working man's double see;

http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_side_by_sides.php

I own three(3) Stoeger's - two Coach guns from my Cowboy Action Shooting days and an O/U..well just for grins. CAS run their hardware pretty hard and fast and Stoeger S/S are liked by most that use them.


Bang for the buck those Stoegers are hard to beat. I've had my eye on a coach gun for a while. Buddy of mine has had one for 10yr or so without any issues.
 
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