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Four Die While Exploring Utah Cave
Group Tried To Swim Through Underground Passageway

UPDATED: 3:58 pm MDT August 18, 2005

PROVO, Utah -- Four people -- two men and two women -- died Thursday while exploring a spring-fed cave on public land in Provo.

Police were working to identify the people, ages 19 to 28, and notify relatives, said Karen Mayne, a spokeswoman for the Provo Police Department.

All found bodies were found underwater in a narrow passage of Gollum's Cave.

The four bodies were found facing toward the entrance to the cave as if they were swimming out, said Lt. Dave Bennett of the Utah County sheriff’s office search and rescue team.

Rescuers were unsure whether the four died from drowning or lack of oxygen and autopsies were planned.

The woman who was found dead first had apparently been to the cave once before, and dubbed it the "cave of death," because water in the cave was so cold that one of them almost passed out on the previous trip.

A fifth member of the group, identified as Steve Hundley, 20, called authorities about two hours after his friends entered the water to attempt to swim to the other chamber, authorities said. They entered the cave at about 2:30 a.m.

During the rescue attempt, emergency crews pumped oxygen into the cave and pumped water out. A rescue team from the city of Orem that specializes in working in confined spaces such as caves was called the scene, Mayne said. However, crews were unfamiliar with the cave and its layout, she said.

A local scuba diving shop delivered smaller air tanks to the dive team so that they could negotiate the narrow passage.

The four people who died were not believed to be experienced cavers. Police said the men were wearing shorts and sandals, and the women were dressed in shorts, shirts and tennis shoes.

The cave is located on a hillside near the Brigham Young University "Y" on the east side of town. The cave's location had been passed around among young people in the Provo area, said Provo resident Brian Lamprey, 29, an area resident who said he went into the cavern about three weeks ago.

"You hear about it, and it's sort of fascinating -- almost like a movie type thing, an underwater expedition kind of fascinating," he said outside the cave.

He said the entrance to the underwater passageway is a hole visible at the bottom of a pool of clear water, about five feet deep, that sits some 30 yards inside the cave.

Lamprey said he dropped into the hole and worked his way through the narrow underwater passage for about 15 feet before popping up in the next chamber. He said someone had placed a guide rope in the underwater passage.

There is two or three feet of breathable air above the water in that next chamber, which could hold about eight people, he said.

A former BYU student said the cave was known to college students as early as 1997. City officials were meeting Thursday to discuss what to do about the cave.
 
DannyinJapan said:
All found bodies were found underwater in a narrow passage of Gollum's Cave.

That Gollum, he just never stops working his evil plans. I thought he died at the end of the third movie? Maybe I was drunk.
 
Just in time for the realease of this movie. (opens August 26th)

cave.jpg


Trailer here:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0402901/trailers

n2s
 
I know that cave...as a diver, I can tell you that underwater caving, even when well planned by highly trained divers, is the most dangerous activity you could attempt.

Darwin was right about a lot of things...

ps: The cave is very near where Heber lives.

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Scary. It's such a shame when we lose people like that.

I saw a documentary recently on life processes in caves. The spelunkers were all experienced, and still double-checked everything they did, and monitored their air quality carefully.

c.l.a.u.s.t.r.o.p.h.o.b.i.a
 
just reading the article gives me chills.....yikes.
 
You won't catch me in any close places. They had to put me under to do the two recent MRI's that the tech's did on me. Funny that because the first one I had several years ago I was alright with.

But then I weighed maybe 200-220 back then and the walls weren't as close. The first time around this time I tried going in it but when my arms started dragging the sides and I couldn't move I had to get out of there!!!!!!! :eek: :o :grumpy:
 
When I was getting my open water certification the divemaster pointed out that if anyone had a strong desire to die, caving was a good way to start. Wrecks were bad, sure, but caving was where it was at.

"A lot of new divers die caving?" I asked.

"A lot of divemasters die caving," he replied.

I've done a few wrecks but I never tried a cave. Never will, I think.
 
"Bless us and splash us, my precioussss! I guess it's a choice feast; at least a tasty morsel it'd make us, gollum!"
 
I couldn't find any reference to alcohol in any of the articles I found on the Internet (Kansas City Star, MSNBC). Considering the area they are from, alcohol is less probable than in other areas of the country.

Might just be dumb, young, "we're-eternal", kids whose families just suffered a tragic, senseless loss.

Might be alcohol-related, but I couldn't find the reference.

Forty-three years ago, I went scuba diving for the first time in a rock quarry at about 3 A.M. I'd never used tanks, wasn't a strong swimmer, and the water was cold. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

But the guy who had borrowed the tanks didn't think it would be difficult to do. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

We weren't drinking. We were foolish.
 
I can't think of a single thing that fills me with more fear than cave diving. I'm not big on close spaces. I really don't like the water. I REALLY don't like water where I can't see the bottom. What a horrible way to die. All the panic and terror of dying in a plane crash without the merciful sudden stop at the end.
Heber, please check in. K, bud?;)

Jake
 
Florida has an enormous interconnected cave system that covers virtually the entire length of the state. The reason we seldom hear about it is because it is almost entirely under water. So unless we are suffering a dry spell, and a sink hole suddenly opens to swallow a few homes, we seldom see much about it in print.

Last summer we lost a couple of divers after they went into this scenic little pond. Both were very experienced cave divers equipped with plenty of the latest high tech dive gear.

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Story here:
http://www.cdnn.info/safety/s040708a/s040708a.html

Body of first diver recovered:
http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/16/Hernando/Lost_diver_found_in_i.shtml

Body of second diver recovered:
http://www.cdnn.info/safety/s040616b/s040616b.html

Info on Eagles Nest cave (including Maps)
http://www.floridacaves.com/eagles.htm

More on the Florida cave system
http://www.floridacaves.com/

n2s
 
interesting stuff, N2S:)
That's kind of like the Mammoth Cave system in Kentucky. That was always a fun place to go on tour and wall around in. I always said that if there was an atomic blast I'd make my way to that system...if i hadn't been vaporized;) I don't remember exactly, but I was thinking there was something like 300+ miles of caves around there. A lot of it hasn't been explored, IIRC. While I was living in Bowling Green going to school there was a sinkhole that opened up right under a road. It was something like 60' wide and 15 foot deep I think. That's one of the reasons parking is so bad at that school. They can't build another parking garage because it might just sink into the caves :eek:

Jake
 
Hey Kis,
Seems you were missed by the Tornadoes. How close were they? Glad you're not in Michigan now. :D
 
Tornadoes went on an angle, Nw to Se; closest to me was about 45 mi.

Amazing damage, one swath reputed to be a half-mile wide, devastated three year-old homes to foundations. Like Momma Nature didn't like that development in Stoughton. F-3 rated.

I got torrential downpours, almost in a series.
 
I've been cave diving for a number of years now and I'll tell you what - go into a cave untrained and you'll die.

Or worse, your buddy will die and you'll live.

I got my first certification through an organization called Global Underwater Explorers (GUE) and they are tough. My intro cave class was 7days long from 8 am to 7 pm. Plus it was one on one. They made no bones about the fact that should I not perform up to their expectations, they would fail me. They aren't like PADI or NAUI where they are certification factories.

Some of the drills I performed made a seious believer out of me regarding my training. Stay out of caves unless you are thoroughly trained. Silt outs, light failures, problems with your breathing gas, or a combination of any of these factors, and you are about to have one hell of a very bad and quite abbreviated day if you are not prepared to deal with it.

Too bad about those kids. Death is such a high price to pay for stupidity and adventure seeking. Sad.

N2S, I dive around some of those areas that you posted about. I go to Ginnies Springs, Peacock, Emerald sink, Big Dismal, Little Dismal, Wakulla Springs, etc. I used to be part of the Woodville Karst Plain Project - Purely surface support and shallow water support though.
 
Just a little anecdote about a cave diving accident that claimed the life of someone I knew: He went into the cave, and over extended his dive in distance/depth:available breathing gas. He was a hundred feet away from the drop tank (aka staging bottle) that would have saved his life when he lost consciouness. He could see the bottle, but just couldn't reach it in time. His last act before blacking out was to clip himself to his safety line so that his body could be found.

And then he died.

He was a good man and very experienced. It was quite a loss. I've seen a number of bodies pulled out of caves. One happened while I was training for my intro to caving certification. Needless to say, I took the lessons to heart.
 
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