Hibben Knives

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I found the above thread on Gil Hibben and was wondering if anyone out there collects his knives. If so, what do you think of the quality etc.? Anyone own a handmade custom from him? His production knives are omnipresent in catalogs and on websites, but I've never been interested in them. I don't care for the fantasy type knives and don't plan on becoming a Hibben collector, I'm just curious as to why they are so successful.

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There's two completely different Hibben product lines. Three, counting the few handmades in decent steel.

The fantasy stuff is...well...I'll be blunt: it's for morons. Sorry, I like weird radical stuff as much as anybody but...it's almost all unusable. Most of those radical guards just get in the way. A few could actually fight in a pinch but...why? So your opponent dies laughing?

The stuff I *have* owned in the past are what I call his "street defense" pieces. Backing my kid brother up on nasty process serving calls, having a pair of throwers carried as cheap, usable fighters made perfect sense. The throwers aren't great as THROWERS but as discrete-carry pieces they don't make a huge lump and you can get more than one to a sheath. Short of a gun and gun permit, they could get you out of some bad situations.

They won't hold an edge, but...if you need cheap defense, they'll do.

The steel-wire-grip series dagger isn't bad, it's popular among the RenFaire crowd and could fight in a pinch.

Jim
 
I know from a past thread that one of the VIP's of BF, is not only a collector of Gil's custom and production pieces, but also a good friend. I won't tell you his name, but his intials are Mike Turber.
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Okay, something wierd is going on, and I'd like to get to the bottom of it. I bought the NICA negiator Limited edition 200 made. It said it came out for Gil Hibben's shop. Since when does he have a "shop" and will his shop be producing more pieces that will be regularly available. And have I missed any other "shop" produced pieces. thanks. Ed
BTW I have #1 out 200 on this knife. If any serious collector is interested in it, you can email me.

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No problem with Jim from me Phil everyone has the right to have an opinion.

Funny this thread should come up today as I just talked to Gil this afternoon.

Yes I do collect his knives and have spent many thousands on them. He is a good friend and a great all round guy. If you ever meet Gil you will be impressed. If you have already met him then you already know.

I think people give him a bad rap because he makes fantasy pieces and many find them useless. Well I find many pieces of art useless but I wouldn't call the people who buy them morons.

(I did not take that personally Jim)

I buy them because they look really freaking cool on my TV. I will take a picture to show you. The United stuff is fun to look at as well. Sure it is Taiwan stuff but I would bet anyone money that Gil's knives have created more collectors and knifenuts than any other maker in history.

I talked to Gil today because he want's me to build his web site. I already own the URL HibbenKnives.com so look for that site soon.

I have known Gil for many years and he and wife Linda are good people.

He really makes some awesome knives but it is the fantasy pieces that get all the press. Gil does have a shop and it is quite impressive. I will visit him sometime later this year and hopefull have some pics for you all. And I would be interested in that #1. Email what you want for it.

Here is a little background on Gil.
Gil Hibben - The Man and His Knives by C. Houston Price

Gilbert W. Hibben of LaGrange, Kentucky is an unusual man, one who has been able to build his life around an object and a profession he truly loves - knives. In his own quiet and unassuming way, Hibben has made his mark in the world of handmade knives. He has pioneered; he has taught; he has influenced; and, for a long time, he has had the recognition and respect of custom knife fanciers. As creator of the Rambo III knife and a host of others, Gil Hibben is now recognized throughout this country and most other countries as well.

When one first meets Gil, his soft spoken and friendly manner would quickly reveal that he is a true gentleman, a family man - father and grandfather. Visiting with him reveals seemingly endless talents and experiences - some unrelated to knives and knifemaking. A smooth and pleasing tone sets the stage for learning that Hibben's tenor voice has been heard singing with the Mormon Tabernacle Choir as well as the award winning Thoroughbred Barbershop Chorus. It's a voice that can also be heard a N4LRF on the Amateur Radio bands as well. With musical talents not limited to singing, Gil plays guitar and is extremely talented at the near-lost art of playing "rhythm bones" - learned in childhood from his father. Whether he makes do with teaspoons or uses his own handcrafted "bones," Hibben can complement almost any musical act.

There are other sides to this versatile man such as his expertise in the Martial Arts. He holds a black belt in judo as well as a third degree black belt in Kenpo karate, which he has taught. Hibben enjoys hunting and served as a hunting guide during his residency in Alaska. And, whenever such a busy man seeks time to relax, he does so by riding his Harley-Davidson motorcycle.

Gil has spent the greatest part of his life making knives, begining it as a hobby after his 1956 discharge from the Navy. His first knife was made in 1950, but he doesn't count it as the beginning of his knife making career. That's when he wanted a big knife like the one carried by Jim Bowie and was unable to afford to buy one. Looking back at the experience, Gil figures that he labored at least sixty hours with a stone grinder, file and drill in making that first knife.

His early knives were given away with his father, his brother and a number of friends as the recipients. "I was having a great time making them. My love of making knives meant more than owning them," he recalls, admitting that as one of his early downfalls. "I enjoyed it so much that I was going broke. I couldn't afford to by materials and then give the knives away - but, I did it." Then someone wanted to buy a knife and he sold his first bowie for $45. "Thats the kicker," he points out, "when you get some money for your work. I was hooked. I had graduated from the pure pleasure of making knives to thinking, hey, people will actually buy these things."

During the next several years as a part time knifemaker, Hibben was selling knives to local hunters and sportsmen. Knifemaking began to occupy more and more of his time and thoughts so that, in 1964, he became a full-time maker working in Salt Lake City, Utah. In 1965, when one of his knives was pictured on the cover of Guns and Ammo magazine, Hibben was transformed from a maker of knives for local hunters and sportsmen into one that was nationally known. To reduce overhead and because of the area's good fishing and hunting, he moved that year to Manti, about 125 miles south and in the center of the state.

The next five years spent in Manti were significant ones in Hibben's knifemaking career. He had the pleasure of working and learning with, teaching and influencing a number of makers whose names were relatively unknown at the time but could now be featured in a "Who's Who" of the knifemaking world. The Small Business Association had helped set up a knifemakers' apprentice course, with Hibben as the instructor at the Utah School of Knifemaking and he is the only knifemaker to have been officially recognized by the government as a teacher of the craft. Another highlight of his Utah years was his designing, in 1968, all of the Browning's original line of knives.

While living in Seattle after his Navy Discharge, Hibben worked as a machinist for Boeing Aircraft and learned of some excellent metals. He began making knives using an industrial-use steel known as 01. It was 1964 when he learned of a new "super steel" called 440C. Because it is available only in round, square, or hexagon stock, using it was no easy task. Hibben recalls, "We had to hand forge everything into knife blanks. I used gas fired ovens, a fifty pound trip hammer, a big anvil and wore wrist supports while pounding my way through all those knives." He feels confident that he was the first custom knifemaker to use 440C and, to the best of his knowledge, Hibben was the first to mirror polish custom blades. In claiming these innovations, Hibben is quick to add, "Nothing I did was all that special; it's just that I was there." One thing that he's very proud of, however, is having been able to help beginning knifemakers. It is with no small degree of satisfaction that Hibben smiles as he calls himself the Johnny Appleseed of knifemakers - "It seems that wherever I go, there are knifemakers springing up around me."

Hibben was and is a prolific knifemaker. He made about 300 knives for use by our servicemen during the Vietnam conflict and feels that his first hand knowledge of the martial arts has helped him in making knives that are functional. Just as his martial arts experience has benifited his knifemaking abilities, Hibben feels that his five year experience serving in Alaska as a guide to big game hunters helped him to understand just what is required in knives used in the wilderness.

When asked about the Rambo III movie Knife, Hibben explains, "It was luck." Since meeting a few years ago, Sylvester Stallone has purchased over twenty Hibben knives for his collection. Still, there was real excitement around the Hibben household when Stallone called him one evening and asked if he'd like to make the knife for the new movie. They began discussing designs and agreed that a large bowie made by Hibben many years ago should be a good basic design. The success of the movie is now history, but the knife featured in it continues to establish new records; the Rambo III knife could well be the best selling knife of this decade. Hibben's association with United Cutlery has resulted in many thousands of knives, factory made to his design and specifications, selling throughout the world.

Hibben's handmade knives cover a wide variety, from small skinners to large and heavy swords - some with blades a yard in length. Production time can range from a week to six or more months, depending on the design, Prices of his handmade pieces range from $300 to over $10,000, depending upon the knife. More recently, he has preferred to make art knives and is earning attention for some of his elaborate work. "I liked doing the movie knife," he says. "but I'd like to be remembered even more for being an artist. I never dreamed of being an artist."

As a teenager slaving away to make a knife like Bowie's, Gil never dreamed of a hero like Rambo nor that he would someday be making a special movie knife. Nor did he dream that he'd have the opportunity of making knives for personalities such as John Wayne, Elvis Presley, Steve McQueen, Sylvester Stallone and Steven Segal or world leaders such as Israel's Defense Minister Moshe Dayan and Vice-President Dan Quayle.

As a knifemaker and knife designer, Hibben has earned a dedicated following of knife users and collectors from all parts of the world. Call it luck, if you want, but recognize that the luck has been a long time in coming. Call it the good fortune of being in the right place at the right time, but this knifemaker has been in his share of places during several decades. Gil says, "We all have inner guidance and I would like ro give credit to that. It's been like following a dream." He has, indeed, built his life around knives - an object and a profession he truly loves.

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to edrozen, Gil Hibben has had a shop for over 40 years. He is one of the early pioneering handmade knifemakers. It is only recent history that he leased his name to United Cutlery for their fantasy pieces.
He makes excellent handmade hunters, fighters,etc. At the NY Show last Nov. he was there with a few handmade pieces including an excellent Scagel reproduction.
He is also an accomplished martial artist with black belts in several disciplines.
For the record he also has 2 sons who are excellent knifemakers in their own right, Darryl and Westly Hibben. I have a stag boot knife from Wes that is a beauty.
To all new to knife collecting-may i politely suggest you look at used bookstores or online for old Knives Annual books and read up. The history of knives is amazing.

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Dave
Phil. 4:13

Many are called but few are chosen,
Brother dont let your heart be frozen.-Charlie Daniels
 
There's someone for every segment of the knife market - otherwise the Home Shopping people wouldn't still have their show on, right?

Some people are into the fantasy stuff, just like some people are into Microtech or Emerson customs (not that I'm saying that one fetish is better than the other). If there wasn't a market, United Cutlery wouldn't still be in business.

Do I understand it? No, not really, but everyone marches to the beat of their own drummer. If someone like's fantasy pieces, that's fine by me, I'll survive, just like I can survive without watching WWF or Dawson's Creek....

I don't want to wait... for our lives to be overrrrrrrrr

Sorry. Personally, I'm happy for Gil. Think about it - he get's to make whatever he feels like, and then see's it get mass produced; it must be something akin to what a car designer feels. He has a visible impact, and he get's to do something he loves, what more could you ask for?

BTW, look for more Gil Hibben stuff in the near future. I won't spill the beans yet...

Spark
 
Hi, all, let me ask this again, but I'll rephrase the question. On the cert. of authenticity this specifically says "Each knife was custom made at Hibben's shop in La Grange, Kentucky" Note that it does not say: Handcrafted by Gil. When I say "shop" I mean more like Chris Reeves, that is, more than one person handcrafting knives. I don't imagine that Gil would want to handcraft 200 pieces that are exactly the same with his own hands. But I could be wrong. If anyone knows (ahem, Tuber-dude) or can get in contact with him, let me know. Let me also ask: Is the first quantity-produced piece to come out of his shop? If not, what have I missed? Thanks. Ed

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I am a long time collector of Hibben Knives, and I do take offense to being called a moron, but I won't turn this into a personal attack thread.
I have met Gil and have the highest respect for him. I also have a few of his custom pieces.
Actually, it was his United fantasy knives that got me into collecting knives over 8 years ago and now my collection runs almost 200 pieces deep and includes everything from no-name pieces of $hit to Microtechs, Benchmades, Cold Steel and numerous others.
I was attracted to his knives because they look COOL AS HELL. I have never had the need nor the urge to dismantle a car or build a house with only a knife. For what 95% of the knife using public will ever need a knife for, the United Hibben stuff will suffice quite nicely. I have even carried one of the UC Hibben Raven knives on occasion. It does not hold an edge as good as many of the higher end steels because the 420-J2 is rather soft, but as for utility, it can't be beaten. Cliff Stamp could probably demolish one in 2 minutes flat, but as I stated before, 95% of the knife buying/using populace are not Cliff Stamp and they do not require that their knives be indestructible. There is a market for these type of knives and I am patiently awaiting my gold version of the 2000 Griffyn.
This is that "elitist" attitude that I referred to many months ago in the thread about the Master Knives SOCOM ripoff.
It makes me wonder....
I have a question for some of you "knife elitists"... now this is coming from a moron, so take it with a grain of salt.
What kind of car(s) do you own/drive? I'll bet, that from what I've gathered from my experience within the knife community, and I'm nothing but a moron, that most of you "knife elitists" drive Fords and Chevys. Now some of you need to go visit a car forum where "car elitists" hang out so they can call you a moron and brag about the great engineering and that went into their BMWs, Mercedes, Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Astin Martins, Rolls Royces...whatever.....

Just something for you "elitists" to think about.

Peace-
Orion
 
Interesting replies. I have to disagree with Jim, I don't feel that people who collect a certain genre of knives are morons (well with the possible exception of Mike
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) Having lived on the planet ebay for a while, I've found that if something exists there is someone who collects it (you should see my friend's growing collection of fossilized whale turds). The reasons are numerous and what you like is what you like. I'll also come out of the closet and admit that I like the Klingon knife (I don't know if Gil had anything to do with it)United sells even though I'll never buy it. I am just not a collector. My nomadic side gets all freaky when things start to accumulate and I start getting rid of stuff.

I agree that Mr. Hibben is in the enviable position of doing what he loves and being successful at the same time. So Hibben knife collectors unite (or United)!!! Just don't try to carry a four bladed knife in your teeth.

Jeff

BTW: Orion and Mike don't take offense at being called morons, that's our goal in the South. That way, fewer people will move here. So get out your banjos, overalls, and squeal like a pig, boy.
 
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Ignored again. It's okay, I'm not taking it personally..... So if I have to post again, I have to post again. At least I can use the copy feature.
So:
Hi, all, let me ask this again, but I'll rephrase the question. On the cert. of authenticity this specifically says "Each knife was custom made at Hibben's shop in La Grange, Kentucky" Note that it does not say: Handcrafted by Gil. When I say "shop" I mean more like Chris Reeves, that is, more than one person handcrafting knives. I don't imagine that Gil would want to handcraft 200 pieces that are exactly the same with his own hands. But I could be wrong. If anyone knows (ahem, Tuber-dude) or can get in contact with him, let me know. Let me also ask: Is the first quantity-produced piece to come out of his shop? If not, what have I missed? Thanks. Ed
 
JDS,

Welcome to the forum. I can only answer some of your questions. I have one of the drop point knives made by Gil in the late 70's. It is the prized anchor of my collection. Totally quality piece made of 440C. As far as his fantasy knives, I don't know. Guess everyone has to be somewhere. If you ever find one of his handmade knives, its worth the money as either a user or a collection piece.

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Zaza Revishvili had a collaboration between himself and Gil with him at the Badger Show. HOT DAMN!

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Orion :

I have even carried one of the UC Hibben Raven knives on occasion. It does not hold an edge as good as many of the higher end steels because the 420-J2 is rather soft, but as for utility, it can't be beaten.

Which custom knives did you own that could not outperform the UC Hibben blade utility wise? I am sure that the people buying the $500+ custom knives would appreciate to know who is ripping them off selling them blades that are no more functional than what UC is selling.

-Cliff
 
Orion If I want a quality knife that won't go dull quick or snap at the slightest provacation why does that make me an Elitist? You pretty much get what you pay for in the cutlery industry which is ok as long as you realize this. But what about the novice buying that fantasy piece with a real world price. What then would that make him? You must have a term for that consumer. As with any type of goods garbage is garbage but when the garbage starts to cost more who's kidding who? I find nothing wrong with collecting fantasy pieces or Franklin Mint pieces whatever floats your boat its a big world out there. Just don't lump them in the same catagory as a well made piece of cutlery is all.I'm sure I can find a few POS's in my collection but I'm not going to come on here and extoll there virtues.
Bob
 
Cliff & Strider-
I will reiterate.....
For 95% of the knife buying public, any United piece will do anything that they would require a $500 custom piece do. Keep in mind that 95% of the knife buying public are not SEALS or knife destroyers or whatever. I never said the quality of any knife was as good or better than any other knife.It actually has nothing to do with the knife in question but the needs of the person using it. Why spend $500 for a custom knife that is indestructible when all I'm going to do with it is peel an apple?
I will use the car analogy one more time....
All the millions of Ford and Chevy owners out there are perfectly pleased with their POS cars because they get them from A to B just fine. The fact that their POS's spend more time in the shop than the Mercedes' or BMWs is irrelevant to them.

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Orion
 
If all you want to do is peel an apple, you should be OK with a UC Hibben. If, however, you need to peel more than one apple, you might want to make sure you've got a sharpener handy.

If your UC snaps in half while whittling balsa, good luck getting the "maker" to back his work. Same with dropping it and having the plastic handle shatter.

Tell me that you're just playing devil's advocate here, and that you don't honestly believe a UC Hibben should be classed with knives that are actually intended to do work.

Please? Please say so...

BTW - I have the WHOLE SET of Franklin Mint Boris Vallejo folders. Doesn't mean that I have any illusions about their quality or utility - out of the display case, they're CRAP!

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i don't know but i have a set of uc hiben cord throwers. sure they are dull course i never sharpen them cause i like to throw holding the blade. i can stick them over 90 % of the time and they have good even balance they cost me about 10 bucks a knife. they disapear in the pocket in one sheath and i carry them everywhere. they are simply fun to use, and dangerous enough if i want tem to be. so buy what you want and what you want it for. later.

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OK. I'm gonna try to answer my friend Edrozen before the poor guy has a stroke.
E, I beleive all the Negotiators were made personally by Gil. I do know that at various times he has apprentices and helpers though no sure if that was the case with these knives. It is also possible that he had all the blade blanks laser cut to further lighten the work load.
BTW-if you ever have a chance to talk to him or his son Wes(Anchorage,Alaska) at a show, do it. Very knowledgable and personable.
Hope this helps

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Dave
Phil. 4:13

Many are called but few are chosen,
Brother dont let your heart be frozen.-Charlie Daniels
 
Orion
The car anology is stretching it bit. Cars like mercedes and beemers now cost what houses once did. Many find that they want nicer autos but like myself just can't afford them.Now before you say that
holds true for knives might I point out that one can get a quality SpyderCo or BM cheaper then what I see some of the UC fantasy pieces going for. So I don't understand your elitist attitude towards those of us with Fords or Chevies.
Bob
 
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