Homemade poison for your blades.

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I was on another thread and brought up poison for your blades. I was just wondering, how many people have learned how to make poison for their blades? I'm not talking about store bought stuff either, but all natural.

One basic one is the one I learned in sayoc kali. Take a coffee can, put water in it. Put some dog crap in there, and sugar. Mix it' let it sit. Dog crap as everykind of bacteria that can make you very sick. Sugar feeds that bacteria. The water of course thins it all out. Put the tip of your blade in there, let it sit. When the tip of your blade turns orange, its ready to be used. When you cut someone it will make them very sick, but it won't kill them.

Anyone else learn anything like this or something similar?
 
yes there are many concoctions from natural plants or animals and insects...but i think sharing it in a public forum wouldn't be too wise.

not sure of the Sayoc poison...that's just basic common sense. any poop can carry all kinds of disease anyway. human waste might even work better since often times bacterias or viruses are animal specific and not always easily transfered to humans.

the blade turning orange is probably just rust build up and can cause tetanus, anyway. anycut left untreated can turn into a really bad infection.

there are more effective ways...which are applied to blow guns and arrows to kill games and of course humans.

and know i'm not trying to bring back the archery thread...:D
 
What reason would you have for wanting to cut someone and making them very sick? It's obviously no good for self defense or even offense, because it would take a long time for the sickness to kick in.
 
Hey Mike, that was just a very basic poison mixture, yes there are others. I just put in a simple one to start the subject ( thread).

Kresky, one of the reasons they put poison on their blades to cause more damage to your opponent then he realizes. Especially if you don't realy want to kill him. Sure you can cut him, but anybody can put a bandage on or go get stitches. If you poison your blade, your opponent does'nt know what he's in for. He patched up his wound, but did he realy? Not if he does'nt know whats on the blade.

They poison their blades all over southeast asia, south america, and even europe. I just happened to learn it from my silat teachers, and kali teachers.

The reason the blade turns orange is because of the mixture on the blade. I know it sounds gross, but the color of the animal waste mixture stays on the blade. Plus, as Mike said there might be a little rust on there by that time, but not to much if it is only left in over night.The reason I know this is because I experimented. I wanted to see if it realy turned orange. No, I did'nt use it on anyone, or did I???

Sure human waste would work, but you will not find that as easy as animal waste. I actually was told that dog waste is the worst. The sayoc people like that one, and its their most basic.

My silat teacher talked about different things, including rotton eggs, and rotted vegetables, rotted meat pounded into a liquid, and more

Anyone else have anything?
 
hi kresky,

what armbreaker is talking about is more of a form of torture (maybe it's a cultural thing as well) to your opponent than killing them...yes, southeast Asian countries are known for knife/sword fighting but not all of them are killers. :)

sometimes they just want that specific person to suffer. i remember my cousin was hit with a homemade nail arrow (pana)...he went to the clinic and got it out and cleaned but still the infections lingered for like a month and turned into keyloid (sp?)or whatever the medical term is when it becomes all swollen and filled with puss. they had to open that stuff up and let it drain. they assumed maybe the arrow was poisoned.

kids were also taught to make posion from a plant extract to catch fish...it was poisonous to the fish but ok for human consumption. fascinating stuff really.
 
saint o'killers said:
kids were also taught to make posion from a plant extract to catch fish...it was poisonous to the fish but ok for human consumption. fascinating stuff really.
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Most likely, the extract used was not poisonous to the fish per se. I believe that it just temporarily depletes oxygen from the water causing the fish to go into shock or just up and die. Obviously, it can only be used effectively in calm, slow moving and stagnant waters. This is an eminently practical application.

Sorry, putting poison on your blade so as to torture an opponent is neither practical nor tactical and does not even accomplish anything offensively or defensively (in a real defense situation) that could not be accomplished by an unpoisoned blade.

If armbreaker had been discussing the historical aspect of doing this I would see no problem with it. As is, with comments like "No, I didn't use it on anyone, or did I???" I find this thread in horribly bad taste and a poor reflection on FMA practitioners and knife users in general.
 
roughedges...thanks for the input...i do agree about the poor taste...not about Armbreaker's comment...sometimes this is just the way a person speak (urr type) jokingly...and as a reader i have to read between the lines. :)

but yes, impractical is true...again i think it maybe more of a cultural thing...that's just how we think. medical attentions were not always easily available when i was growing up, so this may have been the case or cause of it. "huh...i just stabbed you to make you suffer you bad person who just offended me...now you either travel 100 miles riding your carabao to get help or find your local 'quack doctor' to fix you up. that'll teach you!!!"
 
saint o'killers said:
"huh...i just stabbed you to make you suffer you bad person who just offended me...now you either travel 100 miles riding your carabao to get help or find your local 'quack doctor' to fix you up. that'll teach you!!!"
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poisoned blade or not, if a person is stabbed he'll still need to be visiting the local 'quack doctor' I would think. I do know of a few poisons that are much more effective than the dog poo and sugar mixture but you'll never see me posting anything about it here. It is, in my opinion only, irresponsible and immature to discuss such in a public forum regardless of cultural differences. Furthermore, it shows (again in my opinion only) that one who would do so has not reached a level where he/she should be receiving such training.

I am not referring to you in anyway in the above, Saint o' killers (btw, I loved Preacher!).
 
I was on another thread and brought up poison for your blades. I was just wondering, how many people have learned how to make poison for their blades? I'm not talking about store bought stuff either, but all natural.
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No, but one time hunting with Indigenous Tribes in the amazon rain forest I killed some monkey's with poison tipped arrows.... sweeet
 
fresh poop from a virgin siamese rhinoceros mixed with the urine from albino hippopotamus or the amniotic fluid from a leucistic giraffe whichever you prefer... makes a deadly deadly concoction ;)

dont try this at home
 
Roughedges, when I said, "or did I", that was kind of an inside joke to some people that I know will be reading this thread once they are on and see that I started it. I know they will be putting their 2 cents in. It was for them. I did'nt mean to scare you or anything. I don't know who your teachers are or were, but as for me I was actually taught these things and more from a few different people. I wanted to see what others have learned, if they learned anything. I did'nt realize I have to talk about self defense only, and unfortunatly "yes this would be for offense", so your are incorrect. When I started this thread I knew people would freak out a bit, I was kind of indirectly pokeing fun at the subject, even thought it is all very real and part of real, authentic filipino arts as well as silat. As a matter of fact, my silat teacher, who is as authentic as you can get, told me that in most styles of silat where he comes from they do have "Black magic", and don't worry I won't bring that up, so you can sleep tonight.

Of course poison on a blade would not be for defense, it would be for premeditated offense. Yes "Offense". It does'nt take a gineous to figure that out. I think most people who read this thread know this is all old martial arts stuff. So I don't think I realy need to put the word history in there.

No, what I wrote is not in horribly bad taste. It does not give filipino arts or knife arts a bad name. Instead of writing insults, if you don't like what I write, then don't read it. Move on!!
 
Show me where I insulted you or filipino martial arts.


By your own admission this would be used for "premeditated offense" which is illegal and not something that should be discussed in a public forum.

Write an article about the historic use of poison in the Filipino martial arts and you won't hear one negative comment from me; if anything, I will thank you for the information. Write about it in an irresponsible manner, as you have here, and I am going to call it like I see it.


On another note, I find the tone of your above post very interesting given that you know absolutely nothing about me. "Black Magic" scaring me... worrying about me being able to sleep tonight.... very interesting indeed.


I haven't insulted you yet, armbreaker. That you think that I have is just further indication that you are not the type of person whom should ever be privy to such information as in this thread.

Don't like it? Grow up.


Oh, do feel free to take that last as an insult. It is how I meant it.
 
Poisoned blades, eh? Well, I coat most of my blades with mineral oil. I understand that mineral oil is a laxative. It's not exactly a poison, but consumption in excess could compare to torture.
 
Coming from you thats like water off a duck's back. Welcome to my ignore list. its a special club; right now, you're it.
 
Hey roughedges guy, what is the difference if I write an article in a magazine about the southeast asian arts and their poisons, or post a thread with some questions about it on this forum? NONE! You make no sense. You join a forum to ask questions and talk to people who have your same interests. Thats what a forum is. So I could:

1) Join a forum with people who train similar to me, train in same arts, and ask them questions and talk about certain topics

or

2) Write an article in a magazine for anyone and everyone to see and read.

Boy, does that make sense?LOL.

Sorry if I affended your ego when I said that I won't bring up black magic in silat so you can sleep tonight. Your right I don't know you, I did'nt realize you are such a badass.
 
Water off a ducks back???? Welcome to my ignore list??? What the hell?? Your name does'nt suit you roughedges. Or does it?
 
I suspect that the idea is less about torture and more of an insurance that should the poison blade wielder be killed in the fight the other guy may die a slow painful death after the fact.

As to Silat and Black Magic, I've heard some styles have it.
Care to elaborate? I promise not to lose sleep.;)
Is it the Islamic styles or the ones that practice Animism you have info on?

Combining the concepts of magic and poison raises an interesting possibility.
Your tribal enemies come around you wave your arms recite a prayer and then fight. The "survivors" of your attacks become very ill or die from minor wounds after the battle.
The reason? Could be Magic, could be poison. Only you and maybe a few of you tribe would know, and they probably train in the same art as you.
 
Hey Loki, the silat teacher that I have spent most of my time with is a Muslim. He's a very good guy, and has much information and stories to tell about silat, his silat friends, and his homeland. He told me that in Islam, or the Islam practiced in silat, there is both good and bad magic. The bad magic of course being black magic. I was actually going to start a thread on this but I figured eveyone would freak like they did on this thread.

He has many stories, but I don't know if you would call them stories, because its all part of his belief. He said that there is a prayer he can say before he fights that will bring all the souls of his dead ancestors into his body, so It would be like fighting 50 people instead of one. He is such an interesting person, and he is very deeply rooted in his religion. He is also the first person to tell me that silat was not invented by Muslims, it was invented by Hindus. The first silat teachers were Hindu, and then it spread from there. He is the first person to tell me that, but not the only.
 
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