Honestly, what is the best bushcraft/survival standalone folder?

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I think there are a lot of ways to look at this, but I think some of the offerings out there specifically targeted at bushcraft are off base. Especially the enormous Tops BOB folder. If a folder is a bad idea because of the inherent weakness of the joint and lock, why increase the leverage with a long blade and handle?

Why a folder as a standalone? Traveling with a fixed blade isn't always a good idea, and you can't predict when those skills might become useful. An in-pocket bushcraft system isn't stupid, and it might be a good idea to actually give it a try before you have no choice.

Locks: An important feature on a knife that you are carving with the tip a lot. This type of stabbing motion is the reason lock backs became useful. The lock doesn't have to be the strongest on in the universe, but being there helps.

Some candidates:
Any really strong locking knife, mainly because you might be able to use it as a fixed blade replacement. When I say strong, I mean that the lock is strong, the blade stop is strong and blade pivot area is strong. When I look for knife failures on Google images, it is clear that the classic long lever lockback can be fragile when push cutting and the lock will fail backwards because it is acting as the blade stop. The CS Triad fixes the problem by adding a stop pin instead of forcing the lock arm to take that force. Liner locks may or may not be strong enough, depending on who you talk to. But there are definitely locks like the Triad, Bushman, Hogue button lock, Axis lock and Eka's special lock that are known to be very strong. As long as the rest of the knife is reasonably stout, you might be able to get away with some more adventuresome use for awhile.

Example of a weak blade pivot area:
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Opinel. Some folks have a tough time with these antiques, but they offer a very useful and maintainable blade in a very light package. It is easy to shape, drill or add a clip to the handles. One of the finest features of the current Opinel is the lock. It is great because it can lock the blade closed for worry free carrying on a neck lanyard, and it is optional whether you lock the blade open. If you feel the need to baton with it, the technique of leaving the blade unlocked seems to work best. Additionally, if you do push the knife too hard, the lock will pop, but not break. Push it back on and you're back in business.

Another thing to consider with Opinels is that the larger the knife, the thicker the blade stock. One of these days I'm going to get a No. 10, spear point the blade (which will shorten it), then cut the handles down to match. You end up with a heftier blade in a No. 8 length package.


Finally, the sawblade equipped multitool or folder. Many bushcraft tasks the normally really on carving, chopping or batoning can be performed with little force by sawing. For instance, you could baton firewood using a wood wedge inserted into a sawn channel on the end. Or side cut a sapling or branch by sawing. The Evo/Wenger SAKs that came with a locking blade and saw also have an awl and tweezers - all mighty useful. The Rucksack by Victorinox also is available with a lock and larger blade. I have also seen people making a double ended Opinel out of their No. 12 locking saw.



For the most part, I really don't think most of the tactical folders would be the best choice. Stouter blades seem attractive, but a thinner blade for detail work combined with a strong pivot and mechanism is better from a brute force standpoint, and the saw carrying alternative may make even the toughest folder a second choice.

Those are my thoughts. I'd love to hear yours.
 
I use things like a Spyderco Military, a Strider SmF, a ZT 0561, an Umzumzaan, or any other "tactical" folder I feel like.
Used the SmF to dig and cut a 1"diameter hole through 5/8" thick lead when a casting went astray.

Umnumzaan did the bulk of this:

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Just use the damn knife and stop worrying about which one is "best." ;)
 
Just use the damn knife and stop worrying about which one is "best." ;)

I challenge you to simply post this reply on every knife thread from now on. I'm sure it will end all unnecessary discussion forever.
 
I challenge you to simply post this reply on every knife thread from now on. I'm sure it will end all unnecessary discussion forever.

Challenge accepted! :)
Didn't stop you from replying though, did it? ;)

Pretty sure everyone else will yammer on regardless as well.
 
There are many ways to skin a cat... One of those SAK Soldier knives will cover most of what you'll reasonably need to macgyver in the field.

The whole bushcrafting thing is a bit of a contrived concept to begin with.... Even hardcore outdoorsmen have gone their whole lives without ever building a brush shelter, carving a kuksa, or cooking over a field expedient firepit. They bring their own shelter and mug, then they either use the designated grill area or the stove they brought with them to cook their meal.
 
There are many ways to skin a cat... One of those SAK Soldier knives will cover most of what you'll reasonably need to macgyver in the field.

The whole bushcrafting thing is a bit of a contrived concept to begin with.... Even hardcore outdoorsmen have gone their whole lives without ever building a brush shelter, carving a kuksa, or cooking over a field expedient firepit. They bring their own shelter and mug, then they either use the designated grill area or the stove they brought with them to cook their meal.

It really isn't a "bushcrafting" question, but more, "If you have the bushcraft skills, what folder might be good to practice them with and carry 'just in case'?" Or, what can you get the most done with that fits in a pocket?


I just think some of the answers aren't as obvious as they first appear, so fun to talk about.
 
Well, good. Then I suppose we can get back to discussing knives. :)

Guess you missed where I listed knives, posted pictures of a knife being used, AND linked to another thread about a bushcraft folding knife...
 
My wife and I travel locally a lot. I've been grabbing the svord peasant. Looks funky and it's a bit big but it's pretty ideal for this role IMO
 
The answer lies in what other tools you've crammed in with your knife blade. :)

A mediocre knife with a saw, can opener, and screw driver beats even the greatest knife in my book. I'll still stick with the SAK soldier.

In terms of what would be a great unitasker cutting tool... Friction folders would be the easiest to service in the field. Assuming the steel doesn't fail you'll still be left with a stick tang fixed blade. So perhaps a svord peasant with a nice aftermarket sharpening job.

Liner locks, compression locks and anything else with a flow through design will be the easiest to keep hygienic in the filed if you are doing dirty jobs like cleaning game. Something like the spyderco pm2, original gayle bradley, or junior.

The knives that will give you the best mechanical advantage in heavy cutting tasks are the ones that allow your hand to get as close to the base of the blade as possible. Reference that fällkniven tk4 someone posted earlier.

And for food prep, which is till the most time intensive cutting chore I do, something like an opinel is a great slicer. A fixed blade paring knife is easier to keep clean, for example a victorinox paring knife.
 
Hands down the Axis lock from Benchmade is extremely strong. Doug Ritter endorsed it so it's gotta be good, right. The Griptillian is extremely tough and woods proven but my favorite wilderness folder is their mini-Ruckus which has excellent scales and blade profile for wilderness work.
 
Guess you missed where I listed knives, posted pictures of a knife being used, AND linked to another thread about a bushcraft folding knife...

I noticed, which is why your last statement seemed so ironic. But irony is so fashionable with the kids.

Shotgun, good call on the Svord.
 
I noticed, which is why your last statement seemed so ironic. But irony is so fashionable with the kids.

Awesome, I get to be a kid again! Sweet! :D

Discussion is fine, but it seems that people obsess overly about things that aren't too likely, such as the broken blade you posted.
It's one of the only ones that happened with, although sure, I want one without that internal stop-pin feature.

But people I know in real life even end up obsessing over the silliest things.
"Can I cut wood with this knife? The blade is only 0.125" thick."
I tell them the same thing; just go use your knife!

Just don't buy your knife from Dollarama or the gas station, and it will do just fine.

The handle ergonomics are far more important for woodsy use than concerns over pivots or lock style...unless you buy it at the gas station or dollar store. ;)
 
With regards to toughness....

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A thin blade will do some pretty serious cutting.
 
Thick blades are rarely of value in something as delicate as a folder. I think that's more just current fashion than satisfying some sort of real world need.

The point about handles is well taken. Though many anatomic appearing handle are only ergonomic for one type of grip, and something simple and vaguely round would be much more generally useful. A roughly square SAK may actually be better for more tasks. This may be a point against the Svord, which I've heard the arm can be uncomfortable. But a wrap of paracord could solve that and "fix" the blade.


As far as a strength obsession, I was just getting at the idea that the things that actually make a knife strong in the real world aren't just locks and blades. If you are planning on using the knife hard, don't just get one that is labeled "hard use". A massive blade with a heavily relieved lock slot isn't actually very strong.

If you can avoid beating it, then it doesn't matter how strong everything is. It just depends how you're gaming the problem.
 
My personal favorite "folding bushcraft" knife is a delrin sodbuster Jr that I sorta gave a spear point to. Nothing to break really, because it's so basic and without a lock you can't do anything that would risk breaking the pivot. Cv is easy to sharpen and you can jig or scratch the delrin to make a grip like you like it:)
 
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