Could Mick and Duane, or someone else, please explain to me the notion "Honor before all else except loyalty"? In particular, I'd like to understand 1) how you are using the words "honor" and "loyalty", and 2) why loyalty gets equal or higher priority as honor.
I'm interpreting "honor" to mean behaving honorably, being an honorable person--keeping your word, being honest, being just and fair, doing your best, etc.
I'm interpreting loyalty to mean defending the side of a person or other entity or cause unconditionally--in a manner that doesn't take new input into consideration.
With the way I'm using the words, it seems very strange to me to give loyalty equal value to, or greater value than, honor.
For example, suppose that I was a policeman, and that I had a partner for many years--a partner who had saved my life, who was a close friend, etc. Then suppose that my partner became corrupt, took bribes, recklessly and brutally beat suspects, stopped people and shook them down for cash and valuables, etc. Suppose that my partner expected me to remain silent, look the other way, or perjure myself to protect him. Would I place loyalty equal to honor? No. As far as I'm concerned, he would have squandered the privelege of my good graces when he behaved corruptly.
Am I correctly interpreting the way you guys are using the words "honor" and "loyalty"? If I am, then I am clueless to understand the thinking behind giving loyalty equal priority to honor; and I'd appreciate if you could lay it out for me as plainly as possible. If I'm interpreting the words differently than you meant, please correct me and tell me what you meant.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Mike Spinak
I'm interpreting "honor" to mean behaving honorably, being an honorable person--keeping your word, being honest, being just and fair, doing your best, etc.
I'm interpreting loyalty to mean defending the side of a person or other entity or cause unconditionally--in a manner that doesn't take new input into consideration.
With the way I'm using the words, it seems very strange to me to give loyalty equal value to, or greater value than, honor.
For example, suppose that I was a policeman, and that I had a partner for many years--a partner who had saved my life, who was a close friend, etc. Then suppose that my partner became corrupt, took bribes, recklessly and brutally beat suspects, stopped people and shook them down for cash and valuables, etc. Suppose that my partner expected me to remain silent, look the other way, or perjure myself to protect him. Would I place loyalty equal to honor? No. As far as I'm concerned, he would have squandered the privelege of my good graces when he behaved corruptly.
Am I correctly interpreting the way you guys are using the words "honor" and "loyalty"? If I am, then I am clueless to understand the thinking behind giving loyalty equal priority to honor; and I'd appreciate if you could lay it out for me as plainly as possible. If I'm interpreting the words differently than you meant, please correct me and tell me what you meant.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Mike Spinak
