how to make some cardboard wheel strops

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This thread should never been started. This is extremely unsafe and very dangerous. The danger is not in the wheels flying off, but in your knife blade getting caught and flung. I'm all about homebrew solutions for everyday problems, but homebrew power machinery is a different matter. I'm closing this. -- Spark

NOTE: This is potentially a very dangerous project, and should be attempted at the reader's own risk. I have never had a problem, but that doesn't mean something bad can't happen. As with all things spinning at high speeds, extreme caution is advised.

RichardJ has posted stating that homemade cardboard stropping wheels are dangerous. i disagree that they are somehow more dangerous than bought wheels. as with all things spinning at high speed, they are inherently dangerous. as i promised a couple days ago, i am posting up a tutorial on how to make some.

one of the benefits to these wheels, besides being basically free, is that you can easily cut them to a particular shape or make them any width to fit inside gouges and other oddly shaped tools.

i originally made these up looking for a cheap/free alternative to hard felt stropping wheels, and settled on these as a good alternative. they work really well for convex edges, since after the first couple of uses they get ever so slightly cushy on the surface, so they will polish a convex bevel without rounding the edge (like soft buffing wheels can).

anyways, onto the instructions:
i start with a large priority flat rate shipping box courtesy of the USPS. i trace one of my grinding wheels onto the box a number of times and start cutting with a folding razor knife:
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then i break out the rubber cement and start gluing up the discs in two even piles. you can make these as wide or narrow as you like. for general knife stropping i suggest a wider wheel, but i find about 7 layers works well.
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when i glue them up, i alternate the corrugations:
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after lining up all the discs as evely as possible, i set them between two flat things with a weight on top to press out air space but to avoid crushing the cardboard (i found about 1# works well)
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once they are dried, i use a 1/2" countersink in my power drill to drill out the center of the wheel to snugly fit the shafts on my grinder. i tighten them up with finger tightness, so that the wheel is held firmly but not crushed.

here are a couple photos of my wheels that have had quite a long life of service, and they are holding up great. i just reload them every couple of knives and they work great for me.
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hope this helps someone out. any tips or comments are appreciated!
 
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I'm going to order the two wheels set up that Mike sells (Richard J) pointed me his direction. One of the wheels is a carboard wheel. Once I get it in hand and have a change to check it out I'll be able to see what my comfort level is surrounding making my own.

I still don't understand how cardboard sharpens knives.... :) LOL

Nice working building it, and if it works for you then that is proof!

What is that folder you have in the picture?
 
myright, its really the compound on the cardboard that is doing the cutting, much like it is the grit on sandpaper that does the cutting, not the paper itself.

the folder is just a basic superknife that takes contractor razor blades. i like the fine point for cutting circles out of cardboard.
 
myright, its really the compound on the cardboard that is doing the cutting, much like it is the grit on sandpaper that does the cutting, not the paper itself.

the folder is just a basic superknife that takes contractor razor blades. i like the fine point for cutting circles out of cardboard.

Thanks.

Nice work. It doesn't seem too difficult and I don't think it would be all that dangerous to use either. Considering you are using epoxy to join the layers I can't see where the danger would come in unless you have a weekpoint in a layer that will slip out.
 
The danger is primarily from rubbing a sharp piece of metal against a rapidly spinning wheel. It's surprisingly pretty easy for the wheel to grab your work right out of your hand and fling it. Obviously, this can cause serious damage to one's body and/or knife.

The potential for this happening exists regardless if the wheel is cardboard or cloth, the latter I have successfully used for knife sharpening. A high level of caution is advised.
 
I'm not going to criticize your project. I use cardboard wheels that are rated at a certain RPMs. You have no way to test at what RPMs those homemade corrugated cardboard wheels will disintegrate and can cause injury.
 
Newbie here - I still don't understand how or why cardboard is different or better than a regular buffing wheel? Can someone explain?
 
Buffing wheels polish and the plain cardboard wheel takes the place of something like stropping leather. Basically a cardboard wheel setup consists of one wheel that is coated with silicon carbide for sharpening to a bur and the other has a plain surface for stropping as well as polishing. I guess the right buffing wheel can then be used for additional edge sharpening. With just a little practice one can get butcher knives extremely sharp very quickly. After more practice heavier knives can be mastered. It's an alternative to belt sander sharpening. I use 10" wheels on an 8" grinder. This gives a couple of more inches for working with longer knives. A cheap Harbor Freight motor is all I use.

Of course, one may want to master sharpening by hand to get the fundamentals of sharpening before sharpening using shop tools. In my opinion the good, but very inexpensive Frosts Mora Clipper knives, are the best to practice on. They seem to be, at least for me, very difficult to sharpen for some reason. And I don't think it is the steel. It is just the way the edge comes from the factory. It is a lot more easy to lose that edge than improve on it. Maybe somebody can dispel or expand on that some more.
 
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what the op is showing you is dangerous. its an accident waiting to happen. anyone else who tries this is taking a chance on getting seriously injured or even worse. the paper wheels are made from a special paper, not cheap cardboard that gives or could fly apart. if the op wants to use them then its his eyes or limbs lost. dont play with something home made. i have been using the wheels for 17 years and i know what i'm talking about. what is being shown here is dangerous and never should have been posted. its an accident waiting to happen. the wheels arent that expensive and they are safe to use when you learn how to use them properly. i dont want to see anyone get hurt. thats why i started the thread at the following link.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=598409
 
what the op is showing you is dangerous. its an accident waiting to happen. anyone else who tries this is taking a chance on getting seriously injured or even worse. the paper wheels are made from a special paper, not cheap cardboard that gives or could fly apart. if the op wants to use them then its his eyes or limbs lost. dont play with something home made. i have been using the wheels for 17 years and i know what i'm talking about. what is being shown here is dangerous and never should have been posted. its an accident waiting to happen. the wheels arent that expensive and they are safe to use when you learn how to use them properly. i dont want to see anyone get hurt. thats why i started the thread at the following link.

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=598409

Siguy,
No offense, but richard has quite a bit of experience with this method of sharpening, and the possible dangers that he's describing probably shouldn't be taken lightly.

I hope that if you value the safety of our younger, or more inexperienced mebers, that you will do something to retract your suggestion that people try this on their own. Do it yourself projects can be very rewarding, but it would be a shame to hear about someone getting injured.

Thanks,
Jon
 
well, ive kinda gotten to know richard over the past few months, and i'd agree with the previous poster, that he knows what he's talking about when it comes to these wheels. and the fact that this idea in theory could work, and maybe even well, dosent mean it's actually a good idea. just my opinion. if them holes are off at all, you run a good chance at it running so un-true that it flies apart, hurting someone.
i like to make as much as i can for my shop to save a buck, but ya also gotta think just cause i do it in my shop dosent mean it's safe for some newbie to try........

what i do instead of purchasing the card board wheels is buy 10'' sewn muslin wheels, and the brush on grits. i mix water glass with the brush on grit and a little water, then brush on and let dry over night. then you can have several grits on diff wheels. great for sharpening, and last along time(months) . then all you have to do is have a wheel with a fine coumpound on it for polishing off wire edge.

my opinion this is a safer and more efficient method of eliminating the cardboard wheels, and the only thing that prob makes this better than them for me is that i use the grit wheels for a lot of other applications, besides sharpening, that the card board wheels couldn't do.

just my two cents.

andrew takach
 
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i certainly understand all the concerns about homemade cardboard wheels. i am reluctant to take this info down though, in case anyone does feel like having a go at it, but i will edit my original post to make clear that this is potentially dangerous.

i also would like to point out that a piece of cardboard flying at me is one of the least dangerous things i-and probably many of us-deals with in the shop. that does not in any way reduce the danger of it, but i just wanted to show what perspective i'm looking at it from.
 
7 layers of cardboard epoxied together will put a hole in you. Glue it up, and it ceases to be "just cardboard". I've seen a disintigrating flap wheel/disc draw blood on more than one occasion. The big danger I see is from the center hole getting the whole thing out of balance and causing it to break apart or knock the piece out of your hands.
 
i will edit my original post to make clear that this is potentially dangerous.

i also would like to point out that a piece of cardboard flying at me is one of the least dangerous things i-and probably many of us-deals with in the shop.


Glad to see you edited the post to warn about danger. When I first saw cardboard wheels demonstrated, I thought that was probably more dangerous than the dreaded buffer in a knife shop.

Whether you buy the wheels or make your own, you have to constantly be on your guard. If something can happen in a knife shop, it eventually will.

Be careful out there boys and girls. We only started out with so many fingers and eyes, and they don't re-grow too well when we lose them.

Robert
 
i wouldnt want any of my art summers custom knives sharpened on something like this. i would be afraid of it being the knife that the wheels messed up on and ruined.
 
I'm going to have to agree with the previous posters,as it looks like an accident waiting to happen.
 
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just a note; i'm using rubber cement, which is quite different from epoxy. using epoxy would basically make micarta, which can be very dangerous if it shatters. rubber cement like i'm using stays soft and is designed to hold paper and balsa wood, but let go if you need to take something apart. not necessary, i just do it to keep the wheels in one piece when i take them off the grinder.
 
While there's no doubt that an unbalanced or DIY cardboard wheel poses some dangers, it's unlikely that it'll fly off and cut off your head or some such thing lake you guys are making it out to be. Most likely, it'll become immediately apparent that it's unusable and the user will turn it off.

Such a danger is inherent with this type of tool. Grinding wheels have been known to occasionally fail spectacularly at high speed. In the favor of corrugated cardboard wheel, it has fairly small mass, and even if it managed to fly apart, the damage would be less than if it were solid cardboard.

Frankly, I've no incentive to use cardboard wheels, DIY or otherwise, when cloth wheels and a variety of buffing compounds are readily available. Once again, the bigger danger is using any high speed tool with a knife blade.
 
quote[Frankly, I've no incentive to use cardboard wheels, DIY or otherwise, when cloth wheels and a variety of buffing compounds are readily available. Once again, the bigger danger is using any high speed tool with a knife blade.]quote


amen bro.......problem solved

andrew
 
here's the results of my method, i know it's not the topic of this thread, but ill show it anyway. im not claiming my way is the best or that im the only one doing it this way, but it does work, any slip ups on the tape are do to the operator of the blade not it's lacking an edge(im the operator)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLHMOmBVFAc

andrew takach
 
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