Hydraulic Press recommendation..?

Russ Andrews

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We'll be replacing the forging press....

Please make recommendations for a freestanding

press.

24 + ton

Minimal foorprint.

Single phase motor.....220 VAC preferred.

Single beam or wide H frame...
 
Uncle Al's riverside press fits those requirments and is about the cheapest of the manufactured presses.
 
I was visiting my old Scoutmaster, who as luck would have it, is a blacksmith. He made some removable dies for his log splitter. I thought that was pretty clever.
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If you want recommendations on the "best" press on the market, I'll give you two.

1) Larry Langdon (Monster Metal/Quick and Dirty) is making some very interesting presses in Seattle, that are utilizing higher speed single stage pumps and larger motors, but less "on paper" Tonnage, that are moving metal in extremely impressive ways. They're not cheap, but he knows what he's doing and why. Afaik Dave Lisch and Mareko Maumasi got presses from him recently.

After seeing them in action, it's made me re-evaluate my build plans on a new press I'm building, where I was going to go for 35 tons with the traditional dual stage setup. The issue is, that in those conventional designs, there's a big lag when the pump switches from low to high pressure mode, right after engaging with the billet, and sucking heat quickly. Also, the IPS is usually quite slow once it flips to high pressure.

Larry's presses, while lower tonnage, appear to move metal much more efficiently than significantly larger presses with dual stage pumps, because they're approaching 2 IPS and never slowing.

This however, is likely a less forgiving design, and not a "starter" press, as they don't offer the buffer and feedback of the dual stage design.



2) If you want the best built, traditional dual stage type press in 25 or 50 tons, I'd recommend Tommy McNabb's (Carolina Custom Knives) H frame press.

It takes some getting used to, because it pushes from the bottom, as opposed to the top die moving, but these presses are much more rigid than the Riverside presses, or Claibourne presses, and have much larger format Baldor motors and paired pumps, as opposed to the random farm duty motors that really don't have enough ass to push the pumps efficiently on the other two. (FYI orsepower as we know it, doesn't translate when dealing with electric motors and their torque ratings, so two 5 horse motors can have significantly different amounts of "power" at the same rpm, which is different with fuel engines, but we use the same terminology to describe something that doesn't work the same way across platforms.)

I ran one of Tommy's presses day in day out for a week teaching a damascus class with 11 beginners, and it really held it's own.

No offense to the other two mentioned presses, I've used them both extensively also. They're great for the money (although I don't think Ron is making his currently). I've also used dozens of other home built and industrial presses up to 150 tons, and make damascus pretty much full time. The pickings are kind of slim on pre-built presses, considering the potential liability, I'm honestly surprised there are this many options, you'll have to decide which factors are priorities.


Edit: In fairness, in case it wasn't clear, I haven't used Larry's presses, but they're significant enough from the videos I've seen, that I'd highly recommend looking into them, as I know you're not a novice Russ.
 
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Where can you see the Langdon press? There was another guy out in he northwest who was making a big 4 poster press and a really badd mamma gamma rolling mill, but I can't remember his name. Josh Smith and others had those models, I don't mention them because Russ said he was looking for a small footprint and they don't qualify fro what I could tell.
 
Where can you see the Langdon press? There was another guy out in he northwest who was making a big 4 poster press and a really badd mamma gamma rolling mill, but I can't remember his name. Josh Smith and others had those models, I don't mention them because Russ said he was looking for a small footprint and they don't qualify fro what I could tell.

There's a thread on IFI (Iforgeiron) in the press section, that has at least a couple of videos from testing one of them. There were some on FB also, but I'm not sure where currently.
 
I don't mean to hijack, but am looking at getting a press in the next 2 months, but live in Canada. Any recommendations from Canadian makers? Budget is about $5000.00.
 
You should be able to get one from the US for that, so not really a hijack at all. . Our favorite uncle is asking $3500 for his FOB 'Murica.
I don't mean to hijack, but am looking at getting a press in the next 2 months, but live in Canada. Any recommendations from Canadian makers? Budget is about $5000.00.
 
You should be able to get one from the US for that, so not really a hijack at all. . Our favorite uncle is asking $3500 for his FOB 'Murica.

With freight, exchange, and duty, that might break the budget. Maybe a drive to Seattle would be an option though.
 
I seem to recall there was one guy making presses up there? Can't remember who though.


Worst case Warren, you might consider doing a build based on the H or C frames from Batson's book. Even without fabrication skills/equipment, I think you could easily source the components, and have the structural welds done locally.

I understand the advantage of an off-the-shelf product, but if it involves lots of logistics, a long road trip, and red tape, plus significantly more cost, it might not make sense. FWIW, if you follow those plans, while it's a physically large project, it's not really that difficult, and the book covers the basics and safety caveats pretty well.
 
I seem to recall there was one guy making presses up there? Can't remember who though.


Worst case Warren, you might consider doing a build based on the H or C frames from Batson's book. Even without fabrication skills/equipment, I think you could easily source the components, and have the structural welds done locally.

I understand the advantage of an off-the-shelf product, but if it involves lots of logistics, a long road trip, and red tape, plus significantly more cost, it might not make sense. FWIW, if you follow those plans, while it's a physically large project, it's not really that difficult, and the book covers the basics and safety caveats pretty well.

That is my other option. There is a machinist/ fabricator only 5 miles from my residence. We used them a lot when my family was farming. Probably my best option.

My welding skills are not good enough for a project line this.

I think it might have been Jim Clow who made presses. He's not doing much anymore, and didn't host the Alberta hammer in this past year. He sold his press and rolling mill last year too.
 
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Larry had a fire that destroyed his shop a couple of months ago, putting all presses on hold for the forseeable future.
 
If you want recommendations on the "best" press on the market, I'll give you two.

1) Larry Langdon (Monster Metal/Quick and Dirty) is making some very interesting presses in Seattle, that are utilizing higher speed single stage pumps and larger motors, but less "on paper" Tonnage, that are moving metal in extremely impressive ways. They're not cheap, but he knows what he's doing and why. Afaik Dave Lisch and Mareko Maumasi got presses from him recently.

After seeing them in action, it's made me re-evaluate my build plans on a new press I'm building, where I was going to go for 35 tons with the traditional dual stage setup. The issue is, that in those conventional designs, there's a big lag when the pump switches from low to high pressure mode, right after engaging with the billet, and sucking heat quickly. Also, the IPS is usually quite slow once it flips to high pressure.

Larry's presses, while lower tonnage, appear to move metal much more efficiently than significantly larger presses with dual stage pumps, because they're approaching 2 IPS and never slowing.

This however, is likely a less forgiving design, and not a "starter" press, as they don't offer the buffer and feedback of the dual stage design.



2) If you want the best built, traditional dual stage type press in 25 or 50 tons, I'd recommend Tommy McNabb's (Carolina Custom Knives) H frame press.

It takes some getting used to, because it pushes from the bottom, as opposed to the top die moving, but these presses are much more rigid than the Riverside presses, or Claibourne presses, and have much larger format Baldor motors and paired pumps, as opposed to the random farm duty motors that really don't have enough ass to push the pumps efficiently on the other two. (FYI orsepower as we know it, doesn't translate when dealing with electric motors and their torque ratings, so two 5 horse motors can have significantly different amounts of "power" at the same rpm, which is different with fuel engines, but we use the same terminology to describe something that doesn't work the same way across platforms.)

I ran one of Tommy's presses day in day out for a week teaching a damascus class with 11 beginners, and it really held it's own.

No offense to the other two mentioned presses, I've used them both extensively also. They're great for the money (although I don't think Ron is making his currently). I've also used dozens of other home built and industrial presses up to 150 tons, and make damascus pretty much full time. The pickings are kind of slim on pre-built presses, considering the potential liability, I'm honestly surprised there are this many options, you'll have to decide which factors are priorities.


Edit: In fairness, in case it wasn't clear, I haven't used Larry's presses, but they're significant enough from the videos I've seen, that I'd highly recommend looking into them, as I know you're not a novice Russ.

Good info, Javan! Single stage pump is the way to go.

I've used a few of Uncle Al presses and there just wasn't enough power there for the way I work.
 
That's interesting Don, I thought you had a 5hp 1725 rpm motor and a two stage pump. That's what mine is based on. What pump etc. do you actually have? Inquiring minds want to know...
 
That's interesting Don, I thought you had a 5hp 1725 rpm motor and a two stage pump. That's what mine is based on. What pump etc. do you actually have? Inquiring minds want to know...

Yes Salem, that's what mine is, but my good buddy Cliff Parker has a 5hp and single stage pump and his has a lot more power. Have heard the same from a few other makers. It's very noticeable and is nice when pressing in a ladder pattern.

Mine does OK for the little I use it. Most of my forging is done with power hammers, so I see no real need to change anything.
 
Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Larry had a fire that destroyed his shop a couple of months ago, putting all presses on hold for the forseeable future.


Oh crap, yeah I forgot about that. Although I heard they were rebuilding, and back up and running? Might be worth contacting him for an eta if that's the route someone is interested in.
 
Best way to get hold of Larry is on facebook. He had a falling out with iforgeiron and wont go back..Just look for monstermetal.
 
Thanks for all the info, guys.......sounds like I may be better off rebuilding mine.....

Don, which single stage pump does Cliff have..? GPM..?
 
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