Imperials and Colonials are they the poormans' collectable?

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Bein' born in the early 60s a cheap affordable knife for a kid was a Colonial or an Imperial tin shell pocket knife, for a couple of bucks ya could own a medium 2 blade Barlow, Campknife with a can opener or even a Fishin' knife with a hook disgorger, (not exactly sure why ya wanna disgorge a hook) but there were plenty of variations of plastic coated tin shell scales to chose from, there were simulated pearl. simulated bone, even simulated stag.

They were perfect as advertisin' pieces, addin' even another aspect of collectabilty to these cheap knives, unfortunately the one thing that made them so available, (a cheap mass reproducible knife) has contributed to the fast extinction of these same knives.

Because they were so cheap people practiced what was called use to destruction, unlike more expensive knives that were taken better care of and even if the tip broke they would be more apt to modify the broken blade on a more expensive knife back to a sheepsfoot where as the Imperial would become a flatbread screwdriver contributing to even faster destruction.

Durin' the war years when a lot of knife companies went under these companies flourished because of the low cost of manufacturin', everyone had one and because of that reason I figured there would be tons of examples around because there were so many made.

Now in comparison to today's cheap Chinese knives these were a hundred times better in quality and comparatively priced in their day. If ya ever carried one of these you know what I mean, they were decent knives that actually held a decent edge and were pretty sturdy back in their hey day.

Now if you're like me and like all the old timers here you've had your fair share of Imperials too and realize that they were an adequate if not even better than average cheap knife.

Now since I've been collectin' I've noticed fewer good examples of these knives and the ones I have seen in mint or near mint condition are comin' fewer and farther apart.

I guess what I'm wonderin' is are these a good base if ya wanna get into collectin' on the traditional path, it used to give us the ability to try different patterns cheaply and learn about the knife us might wanna get before ya spent a lotta money on a pattern ya might not really like.

I'm gonna post some pics of my Colonials and my Imperials as soon as I get a chance, if ya got any old examples of either, in mint condition or otherwise please feel free to share and that goes for your thoughts about the future collectability of these knives either for historical or monetary value.

Keep this in mind, we've lost quite a few major manufacturers in the last ten years with that examples of the old original knives, (even the cheap ones) are disappearin' everyday.

This just my humble observation over the years.
 
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If there is one thing that is undeniable, it's that I have learned a lot from these and some others that have come and gone.

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Nice examples, I'm sure most of us over the age of 40 remember havin' at least a few Fishin' knives or Campkings.
 
Looks like the 2 DEs and the Imitation Stag are the only tinshells, I like the bone on the more modern ones, are they makin' 'em in China now to?
 
so what do you think fills the roll today?
rough rider comes immediately to mind, but i have never had an old imperial or colonial, so i have no idea how they compare...

thoughts?
 
Looks like the 2 DEs and the Imitation Stag are the only tinshells, I like the bone on the more modern ones, are they makin' 'em in China now to?

Yep, they are indeed shell handles. No bome and none made in China that I am aware of.The two small brown ones are delrin like the black and the white one. A faux jigged bone with the same color as the old saw-cut delrin found on the Old Timers.

I have a worn old CampKing floating around here somewhere and a Colonial Barlow or two. As much as I enjoy fishing I don't think I've ever owned one of the fishing knives. Always liked them. Especially those with the hook sharpener.
 
Never been a collector, just enjoy using my pocket knives. As I have said on numerous occasions on this forum, a Colonial barlow was the first knife I bought with my own money, earned from mowing lawns and delivering newspapers. Shell handled, with imitation sawcut bone in the plastic.

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When one of the shell handles came off, I decided to have it rehandled in bone, because the blades were still good all these years later. It came back looking like this (also had the pen blade modified to a wharncliffe style).

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I know I am old because I can remember going to town with my parents and buying one of these whenever I had an extra two or three dollars. Just imagine, a little boy (between seven and eleven) buying a knife in a drug store or five and dime, and no one batted an eye! Man, times have changed!:(
 
I like the tremendous variety of scale material that they used. Lots of colorful celluloid. And when the celluloid sheet came off you still had a knife that worked and could be abused without worrying about breaking the bank if you had to replace it.

One other thing that is not often mentioned is that the Imperial and Colonial shell handled knives used very thin blade stock. I'm sure it was a cost cutting measure on their part, but it also meant that these knives were pure cutting machines.
 
I recently picked up this old Imperial from the '40s or '50s, and it is one of my favorite jack knives. Talked about it in this post.

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Imperial Frontier series came in 5 colors but not the hollow shell but real Delrin and wood.

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Here are three near mint Hammer Brands I just picked up. I have many more Colonials and Imperials, I just don't have pictures of them right now.
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I only have one Imperial, a bone handled cattleman.

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It's nothing special, just a good using knife, but if mine is any indication those old cutlers at Imperial can teach a thing or two to the guys at Queen, GEC, and Case about how to sharpen a blade.

- Christian
 
I've found some "nice" Colonials (IMHO) ... they got used until they dulled - then they got tossed into a drawer, and sat there until somebody decided they might be worth something because they were "old". I usually find these in local pawn shops for $2-$10. The jack with the muskrat clip is my first "non-Boy Scout" folder (ca 1966 Branneky Hardware) - hollow plastic covers. The Imperial jack with the clip has solid plastic jigged covers.

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This is the only Imperial knife I have - an easy open with green bone from the 1932 to 1956 era.

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I think these are good knives as were the Colonials. They certainly appeal to me but I've just never run across any of them.
 
Honestly I'm not sure I don't like the beaten and dirty ones even better, the front one here is an Imperial
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and here is a colonial forest master and a kamp king hiding amongst some other scout knives
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I'm not much of a collector but I have more then I need (of course) and I just pick up what i like the look of and feel of when using them, the older imperials, colonials and the like are some of my favorites for that. plus it's more fun ti find knives in person and these are more likely to show up at the flee market etc
 
I only have one Imperial, a bone handled cattleman.

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It's nothing special, just a good using knife, but if mine is any indication those old cutlers at Imperial can teach a thing or two to the guys at Queen, GEC, and Case about how to sharpen a blade.

- Christian

Christian my friend, those two knives look absolutely outstanding, what such beautiful knives those two are. I am lucky enough to own a few DE Imperials, and I think...in fact know that the knives are built just as good if not better than today's knives, I have always loved that shot of yours.
 
I am a fan of these knives, they are what i give to friends who need a good knife. I have several brands and models i keep in rotation, but my c. '45-'55 Hammer Brand serpentine jack has been in my pocket everyday for the past 11 years. It has a shell handle in cracked ice celluloid. I found it rusted shut and almost a lost cause in the bilge of a race boat i bought, i gave it some lovin, large amounts of oil and some time on the stones and put it in my pocket.

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-xander
 
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Here are a few I dug up:

The white handled one has:

M. PRESSNER CO
JAPAN​
Stamped on the tang

The one with the compass

MAFCO
JAPAN​
stamped on the tang

Finally the black handled Imperial Cub Hunter

COLONIAL
PROV. RI
U.S.A.​
stamped on the tang


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Colonial Key Knife

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Here's a fist full of trick knives:

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And finally a Flint and Steel knife that has a built in Fire Starter in the side of the scale.

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