Information I recieved on AL-Qaeda from email newsletter i thought shoud be shared

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From: "Justin Kocher" <justin@kocher.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:51 PM

I received this from one of my boss's military contacts.
Pretty scary.

Justin

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did not appear to be an external propaganda production.
The tape showed Al Qaeda operatives engaging in a number of training
exercises including small arms firing ranges, live-fire room entry,
and numerous mixed live-fire/role-player type of scenarios. Scenarios
included:
Assassinations, Kidnappings, Bombings, and Small unit raids on various
types of targets. The training depicted in these scenarios was clearly
for export according to an intelligence expert that commented on the
tape. "None of these training scenarios depicts the type of fighting
that Al Qaeda engages in within Afghanistan."
Detailed planning, diagramming and walk-through's followed by
live-fire exercises were the norm.
There were a lot of role playing, scenario type of interactions. The
role players made aggressive moves simulating resistance at various
points throughout the scenarios. All such resistance was met with
immediate and brutal countermeasures by the terrorists. There was no
presumed compliance on the part of the terrorists.
The effort to produce detail and realism in training was impressive.
These people are using extremely effective training methods!

The following points were seen REPEATEDLY and ROUTINELY throughout the
training exercises:
1. Use of standard military small unit tactics with multiple
elements. (Assault, Security and Support elements)
2. Coordination with sub-elements via hand-held FM radios.
3. Use of pick-up trucks by the assault element to conduct
raids/assassinations (shooters concealed in bed of truck).
4. Use of Motorcycles by the security element (as well as in the
historical role as a shooting platform for drive by
shootings/assassinations.)
5. Use of explosives upon withdrawal from the objective.
6. Use of vehicle horn to signal withdrawal (and initiation of
explosives.)
7. Detailed planning and rehearsal of all actions.
8. Exercise of prisoner handling procedures. From initial
contact, to search and control, to execution of prisoners. Role
players could be heard begging not to be killed (IN ENGLISH).
Terrorists practiced commands in English also.
9. Multiple man room entries. Typically one or two, 2-man teams
that assumed a back to back position near the center of the room.
10. Distraction devices used prior to room entry. Fuse lit devices
(improvised?)
11. Multiple breach points into structures and into individual
rooms.
12. All scenarios were practiced live-fire. Including those that
involved role players. Paper targets and role players were
interspersed in the same scenarios. (The terrorists showed good muzzle
awareness and control.) The weapons handling was NOT haphazard. All
terrorist operatives carried and fired their weapons using the same
techniques.

Some specific weapons handling idiosyncrasies are:
1. Handguns were carried in high ready.
2. Long guns (AK variants) were carried and fired rotated 90
degrees (ejection port up)


Specific scenarios included:
1. Targeting of law enforcement officers in
ambush/assassinations. Faked disabled vehicle with shooters
concealed in trunk of car or bed of truck. When officer stops his
vehicle behind "disabled vehicle" assault is initiated by driver
blowing horn. Target was first engaged with rifle fire from the
vehicle, terrorists then debussed to administer "coup de grace" at
close range. An explosive device was thrown into the LE vehicle on
exfiltration. This was one of a number of scenarios that were shown
first as a diagram and explanation, then progressing to dry fire walk
through and finally to a live-fire exercise. Target location was shown
as a 6 lane divided highway with the terrorist vehicle located just
prior to the exit/cloverleaf (to allow multiple exfiltration routes
and security overview.) There aren't any such highways in Afghanistan
and damn few in the Middle East. In one iteration of this scenario the
security/overwatch element was exercised firing on possible responding
LEOs.
2. Residential assassination. Innocuous looking person (weapon
concealed) knocks on door of residence. Stands in view of peephole and
answers question from resident through closed door. When resident
opens door terrorist draws and fires, emptying weapon into victim.
3. Assassination on golf course. Target was on the green (at the
pin/flag.) A Rocket Propelled Grenade (RPG) was fired at a vehicle
adjacent to the green (VIP security element?) to initiate the hit.
Target was then engaged with rifle fire.
4. Two and four-man live-fire room entry (2-man back to back
technique) with target discrimination (shoot/no shoot targets).
5. Raid on compound (Kidnapping). One person taken. Initiated
with RPG. Initiation was when Guard Shack was taken out with
grenades. Primary target building was engaged with RPG. Primary
target building was entered through multiple breach points (through
explosive breach of wall and through windows.) Exfiltration was by
truck with motorcycle security element in overwatch positions.
6. Drive up kidnapping of target walking down the street.
7. Use of tunnels/storm drains/sewers for infiltration and
exfiltration during raids.
8. Rappelling from roof of building to make entry on upper floors
was shown on more than one occasion.
9. Motorcycle drive-by target practice. Shooter stands up on rear
pegs and extends arms over driver. Excellent muzzle awareness and
control.
10. Grenades thrown into second story windows by motorcycle
drive-bys.
MULTIPLE SCENARIOS/EXERCISES involved raids on buildings with a large
number of occupants (school or office building?)
These raids followed a standard pattern:
1. Covert/surreptitious entry into building and movement to
initial points. (Rifles hidden on persons and in bags/cases carried
into building.)
2. Initiation with extreme violence of action. Any resisters are
shot.
3. Immediate positive control and search of prisoners. Any
resisters, or anyone they don't like the look of, are shot.
4. Segregation of prisoners into manageable groups. (Explosives
were displayed to gain psychological dominance over prisoners.)
5. Movement of selected prisoners in small groups to the roof
where terrorists posture and make statements for the press/cameras.
6. Prisoners executed one-by-one in front of the press/cameras.
7. All scenarios involving prisoners ended in execution of the
prisoners and none included a plan for exfiltration of the terrorists.
They plan to kill the prisoners and to die in place.

The major take home lesson here is that although the enemy is known to
be seeking the ability and opportunity to use weapons of mass
destruction and of an unconventional nature, such as hijacked
airliners, they are also spending a lot of time training to carry out
attacks the old-fashioned way. Attacks executed by small groups of
dedicated personnel equipped with little more than small arms.
There is information to the effect that the "perfect day" as seen by
Al Qaeda would combine attacks designed to produce the maximum number
of casualties with attacks that would give them the opportunity to get
"face time" on the news channels to deliver their rhetoric. For
maximum effect these attacks would take place nearly simultaneously at
multiple geographically separate locations.
We need to address, in training and in personal preparation, the
differences between a typical criminal victimization and a terrorist
incident in terms of early recognition and appropriate response. I.E.
The typical bank robbery vs. finding yourself in the middle of a
terrorist attack on a "financial institution" (as per the recent FBI
warning.)
If you find yourself in the middle of one of these attacks, there will
not be time for the SWAT team to intervene on your behalf. Compliance
will buy you only a very little time. If you are identified as a
potential problem to the terrorists you will be shot! (They are
training to spot Law Enforcement, Security and Corrections Officers as
well as armed citizens.) If, by feigned compliance, you make it
through the first cut you can expect to be physically restrained and
then controlled with threats to the rest of your group and to the
other groups. "We will blow up the women and children in the next room
if any of you do not do exactly as we say!" Your ultimate fate, if you
do not resist, is to be ritually executed in front of the television
cameras.
In my opinion the best time to act is most likely to be at the
initiation of the attack. Once the terrorists are consolidating on the
objective it will be very difficult to take effective action. You must
plan on providing effective resistance at the first opportunity!
Shoot, move and communicate. Seek cover, use your weapon as required.
Attempt to acquire a better weapon system at the first opportunity (do
you know how to place an AK into operation?)
Keep in mind that before any terrorist action there are many
opportunities to interrupt their cycle by detecting their pre-mission
activities. This is where we all can be of assistance. Pay attention
to what is going on around you as you go about your daily business.
Investigate and report any unusual or suspicious activity that you
observe (note vehicle make and model, license plates, personnel
descriptions etc.)
 
whatever it is, these guys are ruthless, trained likely better than most of us are, so we had better be prepared to screwup their plans in the inital stage by not allowing them to gain momentum.

If you think **** is going to hit the fan, hit the **** first.
 
Kill them all. Wherever you find them.
Death to Al Qaeda and all of there supporters. Kill them before they kill us.
Anyone disagree?

Ray Smith
 
agree w/ray, kill 'em all, let god (allah??) sort 'em out - imho this may be the only way we will win this war, kill all of the al-queada and taliban, and also a lot of other middle easterners who support them, w/out whom, they couldnt exist/operate imho

could be a long fight, but we've had them before....and prevailed

greg
 
I would like to know where they learned their techniques and tactics.
Who taught them?
 
maybe ex-russian spetznaz or rogue chinese agents, or even rogue US operatives, or they coulda got a lot off the net/books/etc

pretty easy to do imho w/the right people, and ya wouldnt need but a few trained cadre to do a lot of training.....

greg
 
The US Marine Corps at Quantico trained many Afghan people in the 1980's. Unfortunately, many later turned out to be Al Qauida m#th%rf^#@ers. Too bad, we will now have to show them that there are some things they didn't learn yet... like don't mess with the US. They will pay for their actions. Death to Al Qaida and all their kind!
 
Originally posted by SIFU1A
maybe ex-russian spetznaz or rogue chinese agents, or even rogue US operatives, or they coulda got a lot off the net/books/etc

yeah it were the spetznaz who trained Talibans HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....what a dumb ****

Talibans were trained by those "retired" US army generals and specops types... this is known as "blowback"... you pay taxes,US goverment trains muslim fanatics and they blow your ass up in twin towers...and as it seems it's not over yet...nor it will be
 
Yes, organized Soviet special forces would not be training Taliban soldiers. Then again, there were many, many factions fighting over Afghan turf, too. I would doubt that the Russians would stay involved in this, but stranger things have happened. More likely (although not impossible, IMO) would be for an ex-Soviet Special forces soldier to join the Taliban. Or for poor, starving individual ex-Spetznatz folks to hire themselves out...?

Still unlikely.

Just like the "American Taliban," John Lindh.

However unlikely the above scenarios may be, here on the forums, politeness is always appropriate though. Plus, Greg's a good guy. If he writes something "unlikely," he should be informed of it, politely.

Karl
 
I've seen parts of this tape a couple of months back on 60 Minutes. It was obtained by reporters in Afghanistan. The 60 Minutes guy showed it to a SF officer, you can see his mood turned very somber at the end of the viewing.

It's obvious the terrorists were very well trained. Perhaps not as well as our special operations people, but enough to overcome civilians and unprepared military bases. Everything was livefire and live grenades and it was geared toward assasination and abductions. They practiced sneaking up to cars and tossing in a grenade, drive-bys, alot of CQC where they moved quickly with no muzzle sweeps of the man next to them.

They had a curious way of handling their AKs, they held it "gangta style" so that it ejected straight up, and allowed them to change mags very quickly.

I should comment that they all looked between 18-22 and while their morale was high, they basically behaved liked immature kids between training. The extent of their English skills are the words "freeze", and "get down". I don't see how they hoped to infiltrate into the US. My impression was they were being trained to assault US bases in Muslim countries.



Oops, looks like the original post mentioned most what I said.
 
the CIA trained afghan rebels in teh 1980's when russia was trying to invade for terrorist and guerilla tactics....as far as killing all of al-qaeda and their supporters i'm a little disturbed at that...yeah they did attack us but instead of slitting the throats of any one who crosses show them that they did mess with the worng country and WHY we are one of the worlds superpowers...but show the world what we did in world war 1 and 2 help rebuild their countries that were bombed to rubble and help educate them not fill their minds with rubbish and hate and petty jealousy because they feel they were mistreated....look in to muslim mohammad was a war general and basically islamic teaching is with us or against us and if your our enemy you must die...they feel we chose a side and that they are attacking us osama bin laden has a serious hatred for our country because he feels we treat muslims unfairly and with all due respect ot teh christians reading this who can blame them when our president places christ as a savior when he represents all of our nation and all of us aren't christian part of what makes us all american the acceptance and understanding of those different...so instead of tossin bullets and countering hatred withr age...show the WORLD what makes us a superpower....
 
I pretty much agree, EinZ. We took care of the Taliban's rule, and except for mopping up ops, we should be helping the Afghanis rebuild and show them we can be fair and friendly.

Now if we can just keep Pakistan and India from going at it with their BIG KA-BOOMS! :)

And somehow help bring peace (or is that "less violence?") to the middle east.

Tough jobs, all while protecting ourselves from more potential terrorism.

Karl
 
Probably not CIA, but Pakistan Secret Svc. Paki Intelligence has had a very close relationship with the Taliban.
 
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