Insight on Case fixed blades

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Hello all,

Here's the deal. I really like the the Case fixed blades but the tru sharp turns me away. So if you y'all could talk me into one and convince me tru sharp is a good steel or steer me away if you so please to. Basically looking for a reason to get another Case xx for the collection.

Thanks in advance,

Barny
 
I have a several folders in Tru Sharp and my Muskrat and Russlock are the hardest for me to get a decent edge on. Furthermore, the edge is never as good as any of my CV Cases....not even close. Maybe it's me, but now, ALL my Case knife buys are based on whether they are CV or Tru Sharp. I do have a Tru Sharp medium stockman that takes a nice sharp edge in but it has very thin blades. If it were me, I would look for an older Case fixed blade in carbon steel.

My 2 cents....
 
So if you y'all could talk me into one and convince me tru sharp is a good steel...
Well, it's a very pretty steel, since you're buying it to collect.

For a better using steel in a Case fixed blade, the USMC is CV. :thumbup:
 
Thanks for the responses so far guys. I wouldn't mind buying one just fondle because those stacked leather hunters sure are pretty and don't think I'd bring myself to use it.
 
Thanks for the responses so far guys. I wouldn't mind buying one just fondle because those stacked leather hunters sure are pretty....

I bought one for the same reason and wasn't disappointed. :)
 
I have a several folders in Tru Sharp and my Muskrat and Russlock are the hardest for me to get a decent edge on. Furthermore, the edge is never as good as any of my CV Cases....not even close. Maybe it's me, but now, ALL my Case knife buys are based on whether they are CV or Tru Sharp. I do have a Tru Sharp medium stockman that takes a nice sharp edge in but it has very thin blades. If it were me, I would look for an older Case fixed blade in carbon steel.

My 2 cents....

Blade grind makes a big difference. I've also not liked Muskrat blades in general from most any maker, for the same reasons. A relatively narrow blade, from spine to edge, is limited in how thin it can be at/near the edge. The steel must taper quickly, and that means a generally thicker (more obtuse) primary grind overall. That limits how acute the edge can be, unless one goes to great lengths to radically thin the whole grind. The Russlock is somewhat similar in it's flat-ground blade which is fairly thick(ish), tapering to a very narrow width near the tip. In order to get an acute edge on it, a lot of steel needs to be taken off to thin it (I have one of these).

Tru-Sharp is at it's best in the high, thin hollow grinds seen on most of their blades. Very easy to sharpen up & maintain, when configured as such. The sabre grinds seen on Case's larger blades (fixed, and the sabre clip blade on Folding Hunters) still have enough blade width in the 'hollow' under the thickened flat steel near the spine, to keep the steel relatively thin behind the edge bevels. As such, they should still sharpen up easily. Used as fine slicers, I've not had any complaints about Tru-Sharp blades at all. Sharpened to a relatively toothy grit like ~320 or so (FEPA-P standard, such as for wet/dry sandpaper), they can take some really wickedly-sharp edges.


David
 
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I actually have my Case 316-5 out cutting some bread for lunch.


In the kitchen by Pinnah, on Flickr

I don't find Case SS to be the absolute worst steel from big names makers that I've handled. I would rank Victorinox Inox and 420J2 as worse. But this isn't saying much.

The deal with Case SS as I understand it is their heat treatment. The steel is reported to be 420HC, same as what Buck uses. But Buck takes the hardness up several points and, to me, it's very noticeable both in terms edge retention and the ease with which burrs are removed while honing. I find my Case hard to hone and then it looses it's edge quick.

Buck makes several of their classic hunting knives with stacked leather handles as a special make up for a large retailer based in Maine. Google sees all and knows all. Given a choice between a stainless steel Case and a Buck, no question. I'd go with the Buck. Just for the steel.
 
Tru-Sharp is at it's best in the high, thin hollow grinds seen on most of their blades. Very easy to sharpen up & maintain, when configured as such. The sabre grinds seen on Case's larger blades (fixed, and the sabre clip blade on Folding Hunters) still have enough blade width in the 'hollow' under the thickened flat steel near the spine, to keep the steel relatively thin behind the edge bevels. As such, they should still sharpen up easily. Used as fine slicers, I've not had any complaints about Tru-Sharp blades at all. Sharpened to a relatively toothy grit like ~320 or so (FEPA-P standard, such as for wet/dry sandpaper), they can take some really wickedly-sharp edges.

David

David,

I'll probably move this set of questions over to the Maintenance forum later this week, but will start the conversation here.

Could you say more about why you're suggested a toothy grit (320) for Case SS as opposed to taking it down to finer grits?

In particular, can you compare what you would suggest in terms of grit for Case SS (420HC at 56Rc), Buck's 420HC (at 58Rc) and Opinel's Inox (Sanvik 12C27 at 58RC)?

I'm choosing these 3 because, as I understand it (and correct me if I'm wrong), at the base level 420HC and Sanvik 12C27 are very similar and have similarly small carbides, allowing for a naturally keener edge (less toothy on account of carbides as with 440C or D2).

Another way to ask the question is, would you also suggest a 320 grit for Opinel Inox and if not, why not?

FWIW, I find my Case to be noticeably harder to hone than my Bucks or Opinels due to the speed it will take a wire edge. It also dulls faster.
 
Blade grind makes a big difference. I've also not liked Muskrat blades in general from most any maker, for the same reasons. A relatively narrow blade, from spine to edge, is limited in how thin it can be at/near the edge. The steel must taper quickly, and that means a generally thicker (more obtuse) primary grind overall. That limits how acute the edge can be, unless one goes to great lengths to radically thin the whole grind. The Russlock is somewhat similar in it's flat-ground blade which is fairly thick(ish), tapering to a very narrow width near the tip. In order to get an acute edge on it, a lot of steel needs to be taken off to thin it (I have one of these).

Tru-Sharp is at it's best in the high, thin hollow grinds seen on most of their blades. Very easy to sharpen up & maintain, when configured as such. The sabre grinds seen on Case's larger blades (fixed, and the sabre clip blade on Folding Hunters) still have enough blade width in the 'hollow' under the thickened flat steel near the spine, to keep the steel relatively thin behind the edge bevels. As such, they should still sharpen up easily. Used as fine slicers, I've not had any complaints about Tru-Sharp blades at all. Sharpened to a relatively toothy grit like ~320 or so (FEPA-P standard, such as for wet/dry sandpaper), they can take some really wickedly-sharp edges.


David

Thank you for the great info! :thumbup: Looks like I have the 2 worst examples of Tru Sharp patterns. For renewed faith in Muskrats, you might try a vintage Schrade USA 77OT Improved Muskrat...it's thin carbon steel blades are amazing! :D
 
I've settled into liking ~320 or so for Case's blades, precisely due their slightly lower hardness. I sort of found this indirectly, in noticing how one of my cheap Japanese-mystery-steel paring knives responded to the coarser grit, when looking for a decent sharpening solution for that one. That knife simply wouldn't retain any bite at anything much finer. I'd even noticed it was easy to over-strop it on simple green compound (on leather); even that would polish finer teeth out of it quickly. With that knife, I think it's issues were all due to a combination of low hardness and coarse grain; it seemed as if the finer 'teeth' on the edge would just crumble away, like sand, with just a little abrasion. Still tends to do this at coarser grit, but at least the bigger teeth last a bit longer before needing touching up.

Case's SS is better than that one, in terms of holding an edge with some bite. But it's still similar in it's ability to sharpen up easily (that's low abrasion resistance, as opposed to hardness), and in how it cuts at a given grit; that's why I tried the coarser grit on the Tru-Sharp, and discovered I really liked it. Buck's 420HC is a little harder (RC), so it tends to finish up at a somewhat finer scratch pattern for the same grit. To get the same 'tooth' out of it, I'd likely take a step down in grit, to ~220 or so.

Opinel's Sandvik stainless is in another league, so far as I'm concerned. Not so much difference in elemental makeup, but their manufacturing process is famous for it's purity and producing even finer grain. Combine that with higher finishing hardness (they spec 12C27Mod up to RC 59), and it makes for some very fine edges that will hold for a while. I've also noticed, for whatever reason that I haven't yet understood, it always seems to retain some 'teeth', even at higher finish (my Opi is finished to above 2000 grit).

I'm coming to the conclusion that softer and less wear-resistant steels like 420HC and similar kitchen-grade cutlery all respond better to a lower-grit, toothier finish. Attempting to polish them too high, even though great shaving edges are possible this way, always seems to degrade durability of the edge. On the other hand, better quality stainless that's taken a bit higher in hardness will take very coarse or very polished edges equally well, and hold them longer. Opinel's stainless is what convinced me of this, in spades.


David

David,

I'll probably move this set of questions over to the Maintenance forum later this week, but will start the conversation here.

Could you say more about why you're suggested a toothy grit (320) for Case SS as opposed to taking it down to finer grits?

In particular, can you compare what you would suggest in terms of grit for Case SS (420HC at 56Rc), Buck's 420HC (at 58Rc) and Opinel's Inox (Sanvik 12C27 at 58RC)?

I'm choosing these 3 because, as I understand it (and correct me if I'm wrong), at the base level 420HC and Sanvik 12C27 are very similar and have similarly small carbides, allowing for a naturally keener edge (less toothy on account of carbides as with 440C or D2).

Another way to ask the question is, would you also suggest a 320 grit for Opinel Inox and if not, why not?

FWIW, I find my Case to be noticeably harder to hone than my Bucks or Opinels due to the speed it will take a wire edge. It also dulls faster.
 
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Thank you for the great info! :thumbup: Looks like I have the 2 worst examples of Tru Sharp patterns. For renewed faith in Muskrats, you might try a vintage Schrade USA 77OT Improved Muskrat...it's thin carbon steel blades are amazing! :D

Schrade's 1095 is my all-time favorite, so I don't doubt that at all. :)


David
 
i bounght this one @ SMKW on my honeymoon. i didnt have the intention of using it i just liked the looks

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Barny, I was involved in a "Hunting Knife Pass" on another forum this season, I got to skin and cut up one whitetail doe with the new Case 365-5 SS fixed blade knife. I also own and skin/butcher with Buck, Marbles, Randall, and Western fixed blade knives - I found the Case to be fully up to the task and equal to the others for the use I put it to. The edge on the Case knife lasted for the entire process and was quite easy to touch up; equivalent to my modern Buck 113 and easier than my vintage Buck 105. My only recommendation is to buy a 4" blade - I found the 5" blade to be just a bit too long (got in my way at times when cleaning a smallish eastern NC whitetail). The leather handle is slightly roughed up and handled well wet or dry. If there is a style you like go ahead and give one a try - I think you will like it. OH

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Again, thank you to those who responded. Having more info on tru sharp and edge retention, I think what I will do is what any knife knut would do. Buy a newer SS case stacked leather fixed blade to use and fondle but also hold out for an older kinfolks/marbles/catt/camillus/case/what have you in a good carbon steel for a workhorse. Although this thread is basically over, more pictures of these good looking knives is no discouraged!!
Thanks in advance,
Eric
 
I'm a huge fan of the stacked leather knives and had the same question regarding the Case Finns myself. I had one many years ago as a kid and I remember it being pretty sharp. CV steel though I think. I own one of the Buck stacked leather 105's and I like it pretty well except for that annoying Logo etched in the blade.
I may have to check this out myself as well. Christmas is coming and I have been a pretty good boy this year.........
 
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