Is it possible to make a good railroad spike knife?

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Not being a blacksmith or Metallurgist I know some limited basics of steel. And I know Railroad spikes is too soft to make a good functional hard use knife blade. However I was curious if anyone has ever tried to use a better grade steel to make a good functional railroad spike knife or welded a good knife steel to a railroad spike handle? I am interested in finding a medium to large blade railroad spike style knife. Is it possible to take say 440C stainless, D2, or 1095 for example and craft it to look like a railroad spike knife that would be more functional?
 
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Not being a blacksmith or Metallurgist I do know some basics of steel. And I know Railroad spikes is too soft to make a good functional hard use knife blade. However I was curious if anyone has ever tried to use a better grade steel to make a good functional railroad spike knife or welded a good knife steel to a railroad spike handle? I am interested in buying a medium to large blade railroad spike style knife. Is it possible to take say 440C stainless for example and craft it to look like a railroad spike knife?
As I understand it, 440C is almost impossible to forge. You should ask this in the Bladesmith questions and answers forum though.
 
As I understand it, 440C is almost impossible to forge. You should ask this in the Bladesmith questions and answers forum though.
I think I will. I just realized being new here I posted this in the wrong forum. Could a Moderatoer please move this to the bladesmith forum please?
 
I imagine it'd be pretty easy to forge a railroad spike like head on a piece of high carbon bar stock, then forge the rest like a RR spike knife. Probably not something that's asked for very often, but certainly possible.
 
I think I will. I just realized being new here I posted this in the wrong forum. Could a Moderatoer please move this to the bladesmith forum please?
If you "report" your post and ask for it to be moved a mod will do that for you.:thumbsup:
 
I imagine it'd be pretty easy to forge a railroad spike like head on a piece of high carbon bar stock, then forge the rest like a RR spike knife. Probably not something that's asked for very often, but certainly possible.
I have always been fascinated by railroad spike knives as I grew up by the tracks. But I really want a hard use one made. I am looking online and I have yet to find a hard use railroad spike knife to exist. Something in D2. 1095, or a stainless. I would like to have one made. Not all pretty just usable.
 
IIRC, there are some "high carbon" spikes, but by high carbon, they mean like 1045/50.
 
IIRC, there are some "high carbon" spikes, but by high carbon, they mean like 1045/50.
Exactly. And what is considered high carbon in railroad tracks is considered low carbon in knives and unacceptable to make a good use blade. I also heard the HC on those spikes stands for Hartford Conneticut and not high carbon.
 
It’s a pretty bad pic but here are some RR spike knives I made and donated to a school auction a couple of years ago. I split the spike and inserted then forge welded a piece of 1084 for the cutting edge. They turned out decent for quick work.
I believe Andy Alm does a ton of RR spike knives.
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Love the meat cleaver design. However my mother would need stainless as she does not properly maintain Carbon. Those are really nice. I would like one with a Bowie style blade or trail point.An upswept point would be awesome also.
 
Well if she’s not going to maintain it, it won’t work. You’d have to make the whole thing out of stainless, not just the blade.
Then it wouldn’t be a rail road spike.
 
Well if she’s not going to maintain it, it won’t work. You’d have to make the whole thing out of stainless, not just the blade.
Then it wouldn’t be a rail road spike.
It ain't for her. She gets cheap Target kitchen knives and that's it. LMAO. Carbon steel and momma is a funny sight. Learned my lesson on that. I want one for myself. I was just mainly curious if it were possible to forge one out of stainless as well as D2 my personal favorite carbon blade.
 
There are numerous ways to make a RR spike knife with a carbon … or even stainless … blade. Most any good smith can do them.

The simplest is to weld a piece of blade stock onto a RR spike handle. That can be done by making the handle, splitting it back about 2" and forge welding in the blade stock. This allows a wider blade stock to be used.

Another is to split the spike in half before any forging. Split it back to 1" from the head. Open it up and then forge weld a bar of 1075/1084/etc. in the center. Forge the spike as desired and the blade will end up san-mai.

A RR spike knife can be made from any 5/8" square stock. (RR spikes are 9/16" sq,)


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Forge welding in a knife steel 'bit' is the easy way. You could also carburize the blade, but this would be a lot of work for what is mostly an "I told you so." Making a spike yourself from a high quality steel is possible, but it would be more work than welding in a bit. As stacy said, take your 5/8 sq bar and upset one end. If you care to, forge the bar down to 9/16 through the length. Taper the end of that bar to a blunt point with maybe 3" of taper. Let it cool, it will do double duty as a drift.

Drill a 9/16" or smaller hole in a piece of 1/2" plate and drift it square over your hardy hole. If you have a sufficiently sized hardy hole, weld on an appropriate sized square tube to the underside of the newly drifted hole. Use a file to relieve a slot on one side of the header, also 9/16" in width, and 3/4' in length. Make it approximately 1/2" in depth at the hole. Orient the slot toward your body when the header is in the hardy hole. place the bar into the hardy hole and using angled blows, pull the material toward yourself (and the slot) prior to further upsetting the material into the shape of a spike head and down into the slot. dome the material and you are done. One truly high carbon spike.

Now, is it worth it? Based on the above process, once you have built your header, I am betting an experienced blacksmith could handforge a spike from parent stock in maybe 3-4 heats (for a simple carbon steel, put some chromium in there and it is gonna take a lot longer). Probably 15 minutes per spike if you really had the process down. That is just a guess. It may take 30. Once you have done that you can forge a knife from it. By contrast, if you have a vertical band saw that can cut steel, you could easily split a spike in maybe a minute. (I am not gonna talk about hot cutting a slot of that length, because it is slower, harder and you will still want to let the spike cool and then grind clean the cut.) Toss the slitted spike into the forge and as it comes to heat, open the slit and flux. Drop in your bar and forge it shut, heat, reflux, bring to welding temp and give it a few whacks. I would grind a V onto the tip of the bbar you will inset to lessen the potential of a void and to present cleaner weld lines. This process will be decidedly faster than forging your own spike, and when etched will look great.

For a cleaner weld line with less wasted material, scarf your spike before splitting by forging bevels into the spike for the length of the inset blade material.
 
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This is one that was a collaboration with Bruce Fuller almost 15 years ago. It was auctioned at the Mickey Newbury Gathering in 2004. Newbury wrote a song, "Cortelia Clark" that was centered around Guthrie, Kentucky. The RR spike used was from that town.

RR spike knives are more of a novelty. As was alluded to, to make a user, weld a piece off good steel to it.

Good luck.
 
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