Jaguar Vs Benchmade

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I hear a lot about how the Benchmade knife is better than the Jaguar knife. I am sure the current production model is better, it also cost quite a bit more.

The question is, why does Benchmade only offer one model of Balisong Knife right now? One reason they give, is because of quality control and cost.

So from what I can tell, Jaguar ripped off the benchmade design, and pretty much ran them out of the balisong business, because people were not willing to pay the higher prices for the better knife.

This does not seem to be true with the switchblade collectors, or knife collectors in general, because Benchmade still makes a full line of those kinds of knifes.

In general, even when a knife company goes out of business, someone else will buy their name and continue to make the knives.

I hear a lot of talk about how benchmade is best and that is what everyone should buy. But the proof is in the pudding. If the average person was buying benchmade instead of Jaguar, then Benchmade would still be making money and still be making butterfly knifes.

Also, if people were really interested in quality, we would not be flooded with all of the junk knives out of China right now. The average person seems to be superficial, only interested in outward appearance, without much regard for how durable a item is or how well it is going to hold up.

We live in a disposable society, where you use it up and throw it away and go out to buy a new one. It use to be not so very long ago you would buy something to last a life time. But you do not see much of that anymore. Thanks, JohnR7
 
Personally I sort of agree and disagree. I agree that people who buy balisongs(not the serious ones) usually go for what looks "cooler". Most of my freinds flip when they hear what I paid for my BM42. They think that they would rather get a Jag for $20 than mine for $120. But to another point I heard Jags were made after BM stopped making them.
 
There is no comparison.

I agree about the stupid people buying what "looks cool," but the people who bought quality were buying benchmade when benchmade was THE quality bali manufacturer, because they weren't so expensive then. They had models that ranged from 40 or 50 dollars to 500 for a good custom. And even the cheaper end of their product line was of high quality, which is why they still pop up on auctions sites from time to time.

To even suggest that Jag ran them out of the bali business will have one of two results on this forum:
Either people will ignore you as a newbie who has no clue, or they'll come running and light you up in a hurry.

Jag and Benchmade aren't in the same league, or even really in the same business.

Benchmade is a quality knife manufacturer. Always has been.

Jaguar, by comparison, is a borderline novelty company, whose profits come only from people who had nowhere else to go for something better than a $5 toy that was more dangerous to the user than anyone else.
 
>>Either people will ignore you as a newbie who has no clue

Yeah right, I was selling balisong knives before some of you guys were born. Here are a few of the knives in my "collection"
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Sorry John, but I only see 3 or maybe 4 that are worth flipping, or would last for over a year.
 
...but usually the ones who dismiss you as new guy without a clue would be the ones like me who don't bother to look how long you've been here.

Color me stupid.

 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by JohnR7:
The question is, why does Benchmade only offer one model of Balisong Knife right now? One reason they give, is because of quality control and cost.</font>

  I can't recall where, but I saw mention that the equipment Benchmade had used for Balisongs basically could no longer produce the quality they required, hence they were discontinued until the introduction of new Balisongs on new equipment. If you go to their forum they are soliciting input on the future direction of their Balisongs.

  True or False on the necessary retirement of the old equipment?

(Edited to correct mistyping.)

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Lothar,
In my opinion, people arent stupid for buying what they think is a good deal. For example. I have 2 freinds who are building smallblock chevy engines and both want a particular set of heads for their respective engines (heads that came off of a 63-65 corvette) Friend #1 bought a set he found that had been "tricked out" with high performance parts. Friend number 2 then looks at them and pulls out a book for corvette restorations that says those heads arent worth over 100 dollars a piece because they arent original. Friend number 1 is a drag racer and thinks he got a good deal because he doesnt have to invest in having a set of heads built for racing because they already are. Friend 2 is a restoration nut who doesnt even drive most of his fleet of cars. He just looks at them and shines them up. The point to all this is that friend 1 got what he wanted, and hes HAPPY. If someone thinks a red wavy handled Rostfrei from china is the most amazing balisong ever created and shells out 80 dollars for it; as longs as he paid what he feels it is worth, he's completely correct. Most of us are collectors. Collecting ANYTHING is subjective. A man isnt stupid for buying what he likes, nor is he necessarily misinformed or ignorant about that particular product. But he is enjoying it, and THAT is what collecting is all about
Once again, these are only my opinions and ideas. Feel free to disagree.
Nate

Nate
 
As it heated somewhere else, I think Jag has sort of filled in the gap, for starters to have a bali to flip quite ok and learn to appreciate it.

I myself go for quality and still dreaming of a BM42, or even better, Custom Bowie with SS Skeletonized handle. But my EDC is a wave rostfrei, why? Because I can always toss it and try to buy again some more and it won't hurt my pocket and hopefully hurt my enemy more
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. It has been flipped like 6-7 years and no repinning yet, and it still flips! Of course I have to hammer those pin back to tighten the alignment from time to time, do the liquid metal pasting to the spot where the tang pin wears the handle, but it works!

Compared to a BM or PC (some of which I was lucky enough buying), the rostfrei is of course crap, the balance, the blade material, thickness, etc. But again, I am not going to EDC my BM or PC (however economical they were labelled, PC International and BM239, being zamak handled, etc.)

It boils down to survival and habitat, law of supply and demand, everything has its own market,

The good news is, soon there will be medium quality bali at around 60 bucks!

Just my 2 cents.
 
>>I only see 3 or maybe 4 that are worth flipping, or would last for over a year

You can thank US Customs for that.

This is pretty much what is avaiable in current production butterfly knives right now. The Batangas Balisong, the Jaguar, the Taiwan, the American made Bear, with a few odds and ends from Spain and Italy. The only thing missing is the Korean, China and Japan made butterflys. The Japan made are the most difficult to get right now and they are perhaps the best made out of what is currently available, due to the situations with Customs.
 
You've got a good point, Nate. For myself, I started as a knife collector, and I try to stick with good, solid, usable knives.

At one point I did buy a Jag, just as something to cut my teeth on, as a first bali. I noticed two things:

First, I did love the design of a Bali.
Second, The Jag was a piece of junk. The handles wore out, the pins broke, and the blade, while not the worst I've ever seen, didn't hold up as well as others I have.

As a knife collector, I'll stay away from Jags.

But, after thinking about it, as a Bali collector, I guess the $20 isn't so bad, if for no other reason than to have them represented as what was being produced at the time.

The original post sounded to me like it was saying the Jags were better knives, and I popped off an arrogant reply without much thought after the comment about Jag running Benchmade out of the business. At the same time, looking back, John's message is kinda confusing, since he pretty much attacks the people who buy the cheapos, too, as people who could care less about a good knife.

If what he was really trying to say is that the Jag fits the market better, because noone wants or cares about something as good as Benchmade, I'll go with him on that...

But yeah, Nate... I guess it boils down to why you want the thing in the first place. A re-pinned Jag is a simple cheap toy that can be entertaining, and ok to learn on, if nothing else. Not real good as a knife, but if it's not really going to be used as one... why worry?
 
<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Kyui Su Kim:
Personally I sort of agree and disagree. I agree that people who buy balisongs(not the serious ones) usually go for what looks "cooler". Most of my freinds flip when they hear what I paid for my BM42. They think that they would rather get a Jag for $20 than mine for $120. But to another point I heard Jags were made after BM stopped making them.</font>

dude a bali has to look cool or no one will buy it exept seruis fans and collectors
 
I gotta a couple of broken jags lying around here, anyone want them for $5 +shipping each? I can't stand the sight of em
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Well, yeah Nex... but there's also a good market for a well-made bali, even if it looks "boring" (Though I never saw one that looked boring when it was being opened)

That (I think) is why everyone's so pumped about Microtech moving in, and irritated that BM hasn't done more.
 
I don't think John7 is bashing on the charming chinas.. I think mainly because he sells them as a sideline right? I dunno what the point of this thread is really (no offense) since it seems like a no brainer..

I think Jags are cool.. but that's me. If yuo tel me a Bear is cool then I wil go to sleep.
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it's liek comparing a toyota with a corvette.. you'd prolly see more toyotas or whatever on the street but why do peopel shell out the bucks for the high class car?

as for customs.. I am goign to gather the passe and storm memphis.. what am I doign being an engineer I shoudl be a bounty hunter or a customs officer =p.

INCIDENTALLY, I LIKE the WW@ balisong in the bottom.. I really do. I dunno why..

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>>I don't think John7 is bashing on the charming chinas.. I think mainly because he sells them as a sideline right?

I did right up to when Ebay locked me out for to many violations selling illegal items. They really check the balisong auctions close looking for any minor infraction.

For me, I am better off to sell a China made knife, because when it breaks they will be back to buy a Taiwan made knife. So I get two sells from each person. The Taiwan knives tend to hold up better, so I only get additional sales if they want to add to there collection. Thanks, JohnR7 www.BalisongKnife.com
 
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