Japanese exotic steels

Sal Glesser

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Hi all,

It seems that there is interest in more Japanese steels? I've read some recent posts showing this. (Like Killer on the Delica steel thread) So I would be interested in knowing what steels made in Japan you would like to see / use and in what models?

sal
 
Sal you're awsome!!!

I would love to see a Centofante 3 in Super Blue or at least ZDP189:D

If it can be an American made model, then a Super Blue UKPK would make my day as well!
 
I'll defer the steel selection to afis in the know but I would definitely like to see a continuation of incorporating the new steels into the Delicas and Enduras like with the super blue and Hap40. Thanks Sal!
 
Are American made models off the table for Japanese steel? Where are the rumored upcoming FRN compression lock models going to be made?
 
I would love to see the g10 stretch with Superblue and Hap40. I'm not familiar with many of the other Japanese steels other than what is used in the regular production models


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Hi Sal,

Thanks for asking. I have not been pining for it but . . .

Aogami/Blue-Super A

I would try that for sure. Shirogami/White-1 would be fun but I suppose it wouldn't be popular because of lack of toughness. For my careful use I have said many times . . . the harder the better.

I am in love with ZDP-189 but I do need to be careful with it so I don't get a tiny little but of chipping from cutting wire ties. Other than that it is MONSTER steel and holds up super well for me and is plenty hard and sharpens up like a dream so I suppose just keep using that at the very least.

A dream knife for me would be big "O Military with FAT sculpted Ti handles with ZDP-189. Not the most practical for most people but I could use that and grin ear to ear.

Keep up the great work !
 
I'm not familiar with Japanese steels either. But, like ejames13, the higher Carbon steels are what would be interesting to me.
 
I would definatly like to see more Japanese steels on usa made spydercos. Not a steel guru by any means and dont know any Japanese companies other then Hitachi. With that said, i always wanted to try out Cowry-Y.
And for what knives to go on, favorite usa made- pm2, favorite Japanese made-dragonfly 2.

And a selfish side note while i have your attention:) i would like to see more dlc pm2's (s110v and sprints)
 
I believe HAP40 is a solid contender, my Delica and Stretch are excellent performers and have great sharpening qualities. Maybe a production run in the Delica and Endura?

I have always been impressed with the SLD/SKD11 steels, said to be like D2 but I didn't get that impression. My customers that own them don't need them sharpened often any you rarely see one chipped.

I think Shirogami #1 @ 62+ Laminated in stainless would be sweet. A tough steel even at high hardness and takes a wildly sharp edge with ease. Personally, I would buy lots of these.
 
Sal,

As for japanese steels, Ide like to see some more laminated stuff (super hard carbon core with a stainless exterior). Because you asked about steels I NEEEEED a CPM3V military sprint run!!! I know its not japanese. Sorry

Thanks! And mad respect for actively seeking custmer feedback!

Riz
 
Sal posted this same thread on the Spyderco forum and here was my response. :D

Awesome Sal. I am humbled and grateful at your response to my comment. The HAP40 run seems to have been a successful seller and more importantly a positive test. It seems as though everybody likes the performance of it, myself included. Whatever is chosen I would like to see it in a frn Delica and a frn Stretch myself as those are my preferred models from the Japanese lineup. Hopefully we can get a full run like we had with Super Blue or HAP40. This is assuming that the Calys are still out of the question. I would also be pleased if this thread resulted in the continuation of the blue G10 sprints that were talked about and put on hold. I am no metallurgist nor do I know the cost factors involved or what steels the maker is able to work with so here are just a bunch of random ideas.


These are all steels I have seen in kitchen knives but I haven't used any of them:

SKD11 is basically D2.
The original plan for the blue G10 sprints was SG2 so that would still be cool.
If SG2 is a no go what about SRS-15. They don't seem to be too different.
Cowry-x seems to just be ZDP189 from a different maker but may be worth a look see.
Cowry-Y could also be worth a look.
White #1 should be a good seller with the success of Super Blue.


These are steels from the Hitachi website that look promising:

HAP10 and HAP5R both look good for tougher options.
HAP50 seems to be a step up from HAP40 but maybe not different enough.
HAP72 seems to be the heavy hitter. If the cost is doable then this seems like it should be a very high wear steel. 2-2.3% Carbon, 10% tungsten and 5% Vanadium plus the other goodies.
XVC11 is basically M4 and it seems as though M4 is a great seller and a solid performer. I say bring on the XVC11 Delica. I don't currently see this on their website though? If it is available I would guess that people would swoop them up once they find out how similar it is to M4.
XVC5 looks good if the goal is a really highly wear resistant steel but it does look to have much less carbon and molybdenum than HAP72. Maybe it is more affordable? I don't think it is powdered and HAP72 is.

They also have a steel called SLD Magic which they claim it is very wear resistant, easy to machine and easy to heat treat due to very low dimensional change. It looks like their marketing really wants to hype this new steel up. They say it is better than SKD11 in almost every way, except probably cost. ;)

http://www.hitachi-metals.co.jp/e/products/auto/ml/pdf/sld_b.pdf


I would love to hear others feelings on any of these steels as well as any steels that people are curious about that I didn't mention. Threads like these are the best!
 
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Personally, I'd love to see those Japanese steels on some models produced in Golden (PM2 comes to mind), but I get why that's not been done. Just a fun thought :)
 
er . . . ummmmm . . .

I think Shirogami #1 @ 62+ Laminated in stainless would be sweet. A tough steel even at high hardness and takes a wildly sharp edge with ease. Personally, I would buy lots of these.

My source for the bellow statement.

Shirogami/White-series
• Shirogami/White-1 Hardest among the Hitachi steels,but lacks of toughness.
• Shirogami/White-2 Tougher than S/W-1 but as not much Carbon content, thus slightly less hard.

I would like to be reassured that it would be tough enough for Sal to go ahead with . . . the Wiki text questions this . . .

Say it isn't so. (the wiki I mean).
I would probably be fine with it :thumbup: but not sure it is for everyone. Not the best for those who might be hacking dry branches in the yard etc. :confused::eek::confused:
 
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