Japanese style handles and custom knives

Kohai999

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As I see it, one of the biggest problems with the modern Americanized Japanese-style blades is the handle.

Popularized by Phill Hartsfield, and later James Piorek as well as countless others, we are talking about cord or preferably rayskin(samegawa) wrapped around the tang, and some sort of cord(shoelace cord in Hartsfield's case) braided over the top. If there is a menuki(handle charm) included as in the case of Wally Hayes, R.J. Martin or Mike Snody, this is a pleasant surprise.

Hayes, Martin and Snody are all people that I am really friendly with....and this is not to denigrate the style necessarily, but I do consider this handle style to be somewhat lacking.

The habaki(blade collar) of a Japanese style blade represents the foundation of the assembled blade....it keeps the scabbard(saya) from touching the blade(ha) and allows the wooden handle core of the handle assembly(tsuka) to be "pre-tensioned" to the rest of the blade with the habaki acting as a shock absorber strut...in other words, shock is transmitted through the knife assembly, with the habaki sort of driving the physics.

The Japanese were and are really smart at adapting design. The wooden core, samegawa overlay, menuki and cord braiding all serve peerless purpose. The wooden core houses the tang(nakago), and can be removed by pulling out the mekugi(handle pin). That wood, most often a type of cypress in Japan called honoki is anti-bacterial, and compresses slightly with the samegawa application and overbraiding. In the US, most handle artisans use poplar or alder, alder being the slightly harder and less compressible.

Positioned correctly and reversed from current traditions, the menuki act as palm swells.

There is a LOT of work involved in doing a proper Japanese style tsuka, but imo, it is worth it.

Here is a recent re-do of a tsuka on a J.D. Smith tanto with damascus blade. The handle artisan is Joshua Marlan of Mills River, NC. He does exactly what I want, and that is important for the knifemaker, the handle artisan and the collector to know, all in equality. It requires that all involved by educated as to what is available, what is historical and what is desired. I wanted premium samegawa, and a pleasing re-wrap, and the wooden core was cracked, so this required a complete re-do.....Josh's skill and prices are in concert in such a way that I have never seen a tsuka maki(handle wrapping) practitioner at this level this affordable before.




Dr. David Darom has a photograph taken by Eric Eggly of Point7 of the original handle configuration completed by Christian Griesi....the samegawa was not nearly as pretty....and see the attractive curve moving from the front of the handle towards the butt? That is not easy to do cleanly, it takes a lot of work. The diamond "windows" to the samegawa formed in the braiding should be consistent and crisp....Josh did a solid job of this, I have seen not as good on handle work costing in the thousands.

I have long debated having the seppa (the disk separating the handle metal and habaki from the guard) gold plated....they are now raw copper, what do you think about this?

Here is a Howard Clark tanto that I got from Joe Paranee for same cost as the J.D. Smith blade, but it was in full polish already with a habaki, and the Smith blade was missing this(about a $200-300 difference).
This first pic shows the disaster of choosing the wrong person to work on your handles....while told this was a full wrap of samegawa, the "artist" used panels and cut it with a dremel or similar to simulate the "seam" that is desirable in Japanese handle wrapping(this seam is the "money shot" showing without question that it is a full wrap....right! The handle core was also too long by 1/2"

Here is the handle completed:

Here is my crappy phone pic of the complete knife:


Hope this helps create some discussion that is positive for the community.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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Cool post I enjoyed reading it and the pictures were fantastic. I'd have to agree with some parts of the post although I think some knives are just candidates for a Japanese style wrap versus a full on traditional but in some cases I do agree I would like to see some separation and proper implementation my biggest problem with many of these knives out today is I feel like if I were to really use it (which in Japanese culture is what their weapons were specifically designed for) that I may slip onto the blade and end up hurting myself more than my enemy. Luckily I don't intend on getting into any samurai battles anytime soon and if I do. I'll probably just run fast but beautiful pictures and I totally understand where you are coming from and feel the same way in many instances
 
Thanks for this education, Steven. There is a whole lot I am learning about this.

So, if I understand correctly, the full wrap (samegawa?) would cover the entire handle and one side would have the seam, in view?

Are there other wraps outside of sting ray that are desirable?

Thanks,

Coop
 
The stingray is untreated and acts like rawhide. You dampen it to make it pliable and when dry it is very hard and makes for an extremely secure handle. Having the seam on the side supports the seam in the two halves of the wood core. It isn't easy to get that seam in the samegawa to be perfect and requires a lot of patience to not rush the drying of the ray skin lest it shrink back and leave the seam open.

That is a beautiful wrap STeven. The waisted handle is very graceful and of perfect proportions. Any idea what he uses for hishigame?
 
Thanks for this education, Steven. There is a whole lot I am learning about this.

So, if I understand correctly, the full wrap (samegawa?) would cover the entire handle and one side would have the seam, in view?

Are there other wraps outside of sting ray that are desirable?

Thanks,

Coop

The seam was a marketing ploy....we know about those;)

There are a great many wrap styles....my preference is for the classic hineri maki, but there are at LEAST seven other styles that are classic Japanese. In history, the seam would be exposed, but for a classicist martial artist, you will have a full wrap, verifiable hidden seam samegawa.

Thanks Stuart, my hope is that Josh will weigh in here.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
About as informative a thread as I've seen in a long time. Thanks, STeven you've got me thinking.
 
Now that s a proper job

Congrats my friend

So that's where my Clark is :)

Looks great my friend a very needed thread
 
Just wanted to thank STeven, and say that to me, this is an example of one of this forum's best uses- constructive, educational, and entertaining.
 
Thanks for posting this... the Japanese cutlery traditions are always fascinating! I would very much like to know what the various decorative elements (like the menuki) symbolised. If anything... I know a particular flower was a popular motif. Is it the chrysanthemum?
 
Very nice work on that first handle. I know how difficult these can be. Many years ago I practiced Aikido, and some of the Shodan and above level students would gather and practice Iaido on the weekends. We were always invited to come and watch these demonstrations, and wanting to soak up as much as I could, I attended regularly. One night I noticed that the handle wrap on my Sensei's katana was coming unraveled at the bottom. I had been doing tsukamaki work with shoelaces and any flat paint stick or ruler since I was watching Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles in front of the TV, so I gathered the courage to offer to repair it for him. He gave me three swords that night, and asked me why the hell I had never mentioned this before...lol. This is how I ended up paying my dues for my training.

I learned Tsukamaki from a picture in an old book about weaponry. Learned the omote and ura knots later (pain in the ass). I've noticed that there are different styles of handle wrapping, and the way I've always done it looks a bit different. I guess I was wanting to know from Steven, or anyone else really experienced with Japanese culture or weaponry if my style at LEAST falls within a traditional style of Tsukamaki. I know that the Japanese have a thing with left and right, and my handle twists are all in one direction down the handle, where other common styles the wrap is in a back/forward configuration.

Traditional - / \ / \ / \ / \

Mine -/ / / / / / /

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Thanks guys. Great thread!
 
Greetings all and thank you Steven for the praise, it is much appreciated :)
I use folded paper for hishigami.

I often apply a full wrap of samegawa with the seam overlapped and offset, hidden under the ito on the Ha side for the main purpose of strength and support as was mentioned earlier in this thread. this method is much like skiving and overlapping leather on a knife or Euro sword grip. it's like 10 grit sandpaper (if there is such a thing), my fingerprints are almost gone from working with this skin for so long, lol
I have also placed the seam down the center of the Ura side(faces body when worn in the Obi) which is historically seen on most antique examples, but only when requested by the client.

the folds of the ito (wrapping cord) are supposed to alternate as they go because this way it is less likely to unravel easily if the Kashira (end cap) were to come off in a battle situation. unless you were in a life or death fight with your sword or Tanto, this alternating method is really just done these days for aesthetics and for the sake of a traditionally correct tsukamaki which I personally prefer.

here is a closer shot of a Katana Tsuka wrapped in silk ito over a full wrap of samegawa. you can see the ito alternating directions down the length.

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Thank you,

-Josh
 
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Very nice work Josh Marlan! The waist is beautifully done and the diamonds are very even. I love how the silk curls over the hishigame.. very clean looking.
Do you carve away part of the tsuka core for the knots and if so, how do you depress the samegawa into the depression while it's drying?
 
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Thanks for posting this... the Japanese cutlery traditions are always fascinating! I would very much like to know what the various decorative elements (like the menuki) symbolised. If anything... I know a particular flower was a popular motif. Is it the chrysanthemum?

It is a good question.

Samurai did not wear jewelry. Putting some pizazz on a sword was about as far as it went.....mon(family crest) were pre-ordained by ancestry, so your "seal", "sigil" or "monograph" were chosen by your grandfather, and you were expected to use it....that means if the sword had a theme of "mon" with the tsuba and fuchi/kashira....it stayed with the sword. It is this way, hundreds of years later for ryu crests(official dojo markings)....we use what has been traditionally used.

Menuki(handle charms)were up to the current owner of the sword....could be a demon, could be a dragon, could be mon if that is what you were feeling....my wife was born in the Year of the Dragon, and I like dragons, so that is often the menuki that I choose.

The crane is a symbol of honor and loyalty. These menuki(on the Smith tanto) were given to me by David R. Langenbacker at a SoCal gun show back in 2001. D.R. Langenbacker and Sons was a business specializing in bronze casting, specifically, Japanese style fittings and Old West badges....the workmanship was top notch, the prices fair and David was an absolute treasure. He passed away on May 28, 2008 at 67 years of age and the business pretty much passed away along with him, so sadly.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/deseretnews/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=110326625

I did not have enough cash to make the purchases from David at the gun show....did not expect to see him there....he let me leave the show with my purchases, and asked me to come back or mail him a check....frankly Fred Lohman has done this as well, but Fred and I have done business for over 10 years...David didn't know me from a hole in the wall...went back to the show the next day and gave David cash. He thanked me for my integrity with these menuki, which I tried in vain to pay for....and purchased him lunch instead.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
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Here is a nice example of J.D.'s Japanese knife art.
This is a page from Steven's article "Knife People" from
my book "The World of Art Knives" (2010).

I think the J.D.'s work speaks for itself...

These are a "Yioroi Toshi" dagger and a "Tanto" Fighter

All the best,
David Darom (ddd)


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