John "LOFTY" Wiseman - who is he?

That is the nom d'guerre for the principal wilderness survival instructor for the SAS - the real SAS, not the Territorial Army part-timers - for many years. Wrote the commercial publication "The SAS Survival Manual."
 
That is the nom d'guerre for the principal wilderness survival instructor for the SAS - the real SAS, not the Territorial Army part-timers - for many years. Wrote the commercial publication "The SAS Survival Manual."

I see. Seems to be taking it a bit harsh on Ray and Bear... but, then I realized he's SAS - don't these guys have major egos. From what he said it almost makes me feel like he's missing the point of what Mears is doing - living within nature not destroying it. Mears is specific to differentiate when he's "surviving" and "bushcrating". Or should I say, the purpose of survival for someone like Lofty probably includes "escape and evasion" from the bad guys. Nevertheless, I'll check him out a bit more as I've never read the SAS handbook.

Thanks!
 
John wiseman is tougher than me by a long shot. He is basically a survival at all costs sort of guy, which has its place. Ray is not a "survival" expert, because he never gets to the surviving part! by the end of the afternoon he'll have a log cabin, and by the next day he'll be building a boat. Bear is an entertainer. He takes a crack at Steve Irwin for risk taking. John is old school, his book is all about reducing risk, and staying alive. Take what you will from it.
 
He's the father of all the survival stuff here. Before all the bandwagon production survival / bushcraft stuff emerged with folks that want to make a career in TV his career was in teaching good guys how to survive. I don't think I need to regurgitate his army career here, but after that he took a lot of what he gleaned from there and brought it to the great unwashed. His TV celebrity accrued after doing such things as taking children's TV presenter Peter Duncan [of BBC Blue Peter fame] out into the sticks to rough it for a couple of nights. He had his fingers in many pies though. He put on courses from wilderness survival stuff to stuff of a more CQB flavour. I saw him in seminar myself in the way back when – funny guy, even when applying a goose neck. The poxy little Altoids survival tins we see now owe their history to him. His pocket kit, a scaled down size version of an RAF kit, fit in a 2oz tobacco tin, and brought the public's attention to wire saws, button compasses and so on. Soon enough commercial tobacco tin kits were available from companies like BCB. The legend grew as magazines wrote about and the public got more interested in the survival courses he ran at the Ottery. As this stuff was going from strength to strength he put a survival book, then an urban survival book. Those have been revised and scaled down over time to become little pocket guides. He stuck his name on a commercial parang called the Oakwood in the back when. That project died through a conspiracy of factors, but with the boom in neo-bushcraft now he's endorsed another version of one. Over time he's been involved in several survival schools. His real world skills have allowed him to maintain a strong authority even though most of the stuff now is just TV based dumbed down and fake neo-bushcraft commercialisation. Shame he's old now 'cos he is a guy with the knowledge and the attitude. And that snipped of video really made me chuckle. In my head that translated to “good luck to them and their fake TV careers, and genuine applause for their achievements, but in a genuine survival scenario with no TV or back up crew screw those pair of pricks”. That strikes a chord with me.
 
That is the nom d'guerre for the principal wilderness survival instructor for the SAS - the real SAS, not the Territorial Army part-timers - for many years. Wrote the commercial publication "The SAS Survival Manual."

The "part-timers" you speak of have for many years operated on the front lines. 21 and 23 are every bit as "real" as 22.
 
They have seen active service. He may have seen active service. However, one does not have to pass SAS qualification to be a member of the Territorial Army unit. Certainly honorable and real, but different.

Then there's the guy in the bear suit pretending to be a real bear threatening the "Bear" and the rental pony "wild mustang" to be subdued and the raod-killed snake he "trapped," and the "desert island" a few yards from the resort hotel. All together sing, "That's entertainment."
 
is just TV based dumbed down and fake neo-bushcraft commercialisation.

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They have seen active service. He may have seen active service. However, one does not have to pass SAS qualification to be a member of the Territorial Army unit. Certainly honorable and real, but different.

Then there's the guy in the bear suit pretending to be a real bear threatening the "Bear" and the rental pony "wild mustang" to be subdued and the raod-killed snake he "trapped," and the "desert island" a few yards from the resort hotel. All together sing, "That's entertainment."

Why poo poo 21 and 23 just because you hate Bear Grylls?

Honestly speaking, how many here think they could complete SF reserve selection?
 
Yeah, its too bad Lofty didn't make a fortune off of his survival tea tins, he was ahead of his time. But its never too late to knock Ray and Bear on the "Bushcraft show" highschool youtube production while R&B make millions with the networks. Just makes him look bad to me.
 
The appropriate analogy is that Morgan Freeman makes an excellent Hollywood detective, but if you can understand it's only TV you wouldn't call him to investigate who raped your father. No shame in announcing the difference. A spade is a spade.
 
I'm friends with someone who served in the ' real SAS ' with Lofty. My friend speaks very highly of him and said that Lofty was always the one most interested in the survival stuff so much so that everyone knew that he would go on to teach it in one form or another.
 
Absolute rubbish, the selection is EXACTLY the same as for the regulars.

That seems a bit harsh -- and incorrect according to the UK Ministry of Defense.

http://www.army.mod.uk/specialforces/Special Air Service (Reserve).aspx:
Special Air Service Reserves (SAS (R)) comprising of 21 SAS(R) and 23 SAS(R) were formed in 1947 and 1959 respectively. SAS(R) are tasked to the highest level and can operate in difficult and often changing circumstances, sometimes in absence of guidance and within situations that have significant operational and strategic importance.

The kind of individuals required to operate successfully in these circumstances are not found in abundance. The selection process for entry into SAS(R) seeks to identify the qualities and potential of those suitable for service within SAS(R).
. . .
The SAS(R) Selection Course is run twice per year. It is both physically and mentally demanding and comprises of 2 main components:

Aptitude
Aptitude is a progressively arduous phase, requiring greater expenditure of physical energy, designed to select volunteers with the right qualities. It is emphasised to stand any chance of success you must be physically fit at the start of the course. The qualities required are:
Physically and mentally robust
Self Confident
Self Disciplined
Able to work alone
Able to assimilate information and new skills
Continuation
On passing aptitude you will undertake continuation training which is an intensive period of instruction and assessment on Special Forces tactics, techniques and procedures, including weapons and standard operating procedures (SOP's). This is progressive with the emphasis on individuals assimilating new skills while under physical and mental pressure. At the end of the continuation you will be trained to an operationally deployable status.
Commitment
You will require a very high level of commitment and determination as both Aptitude and Continuation are conducted over a set number of weekends and periods of continuous training totalling approximately 80 days over a 12 month period. Such commitment is dependant on the support of your employer and family.
[emphasis added]

On completion, one is badged to SAS(R)


In comparison, selection for the Regular Army SAS (22nd SAS) is eighteen continuous weeks (i.e. 126 days - excluding one week orientation) and includes stints in the jungle.

Here is one unofficial, but informed description of selection for SAS:
Selection Phase 1 - Endurance

The first phase of selection is known as the endurance, fitness and navigation, or 'the hills' stage. This is the endurance portion of selection and not only tests a candidate's physical fitness, but also their mental stamina. To pass this phase, a high level of determination and self-reliance is vital.

The hills stage lasts 3 weeks and takes place in the Brecon Beacons and Black Hills of South Wales. Candidates have to carry an ever-increasingly-heavy bergen over a series of long timed hikes, navigating between checkpoints. No encouragement or criticism is provided by the supervising staff at the checkpoints. SAS Directing Staff (DS) are fully-badged members of the regiment and leave each candidate to their own devices. This can be a marked contrast from the selectee's experience in their parent units. They would be used to their instructors shouting constant instructions at them, along with encouragement and abuse. The demands of life in a special forces unit require each member to be self-motivated.

The endurance phase culminates with 'the long drag', a 40 mile trek carrying a 55lb bergen, that must be completed in under 24 hours.

Selection Phase 2 - Jungle Training

Those who have passed stage 1 have to then pass jungle training. Training takes place in Belize, in the heart of deep jungles. Candidates learn the basics of surviving and patrolling in the harsh conditions. SAS jungle patrols have to live for weeks behind enemy lines, in 4 man patrols, living on rations. Jungle training weeds out those who can't handle the discipline required to keep themselves and their kit in good condition whilst on long range patrol in difficult conditions. Again, there is a mental component being tested, not just a physical. Special Forces teams need men who can work under relentless pressure, in horrendous environments for weeks on end, without a lifeline back to home base.

Selection Phase 3 - Escape & Evasion & Tactical Questioning (TQ)

The small number of candidates who have made it through endurance and jungle training now enter the final phase of selection. The likelihood of a special operation going wrong behind enemy lines is quite high, given the risks involved. The SAS want soldiers who have the wherewithal and spirit required to escape and evade capture and resist interrogation.

For the escape and evasion (E&E) portion of the course, the candidates are given brief instructions on appropriate techniques. This may include talks from former POWs or special forces soldiers who have been in E&E situations in the real world.

Next, the candidates are let loose in the countryside, wearing World War 2 vintage coats with instructions to make their way to a series of waypoints without being captured by the hunter force of other soldiers. This portion lasts for 3 days after which, captured or not, all candidates report for TQ.

Tactical Questioning (TQ) tests the prospective SAS men's ability to resist interrogation. They are treated roughly by their interrogators, often made to stand in 'stress positions' for hours at a time, while disorientating white noise is blasted at them. When their turn for questioning comes, they must only answer with the so-called 'big 4' (name, rank, serial number and date of birth). All other questions must be answered with 'I'm sorry but I cannot answer that question.' Failure to do so results in failing the course. The questioners will use all sorts of tricks to try and get a reaction from the candidates. They may act friendly and try to get their subjects chatting; or they stand inches away from their subjects and scream unfavourable remarks about the sexual habits of their mothers. Female interrogators may laugh at the size of their subject's manhood. Of course, a real interrogation would be a lot more harsh and the subject would not know that they get to leave alive when it's all over. That said, days of interrogations and enduring the stress positions and white noise break down a man's sense of time and reality. The SAS are looking for men who can withstand such treatment long enough so that the effects of revealing any operational information they might have can be lessoned by HQ.

After all that...

The small number of men who make it through selection receive the coveted beige beret with the distinctive winged dagger insignia. As a newly badged member of the Special Air Service they can feel justly proud. They are not out of the woods, however, as they are now effectively on probation. As brand new members of the regiment, they will be watched closely by the DS as they enter continuation training. Many SAS soldiers are RTU'd (returned to unit) during training.
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But if you have a better source, please share.
 
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What exactly is that supposed to show?

You've quoted that the selection for the TA SAS is carried out over a longer period of time.
You do understand that the TA are part time soldiers right, they have a gruelling selection process THEN have to get up and go to work on a Monday morning.

The selection and requirements are EXACTLY the same, BOTH have to pass your second quotation and both are real SAS.
There are no short cuts.
 
Hey guys a friendly reminder, but you will probably want to get this back on track about Wiseman and his wilderness skills or it will probably get closed down. And I think it's worth keeping open because he is one of the godfathers of our little hobby after all!
 
Hey guys a friendly reminder, but you will probably want to get this back on track about Wiseman and his wilderness skills or it will probably get closed down. And I think it's worth keeping open because he is one of the godfathers of our little hobby after all!

Bringing it back on track, this is how it all began !

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That's a great video! Always interesting to hear how the survival guys got interested in it. Lofty is a human encyclopedia. Guys like he and Mors have more skills in their pinky fingers than I will probably ever get in my lifetime :)
 
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