Jungle Wood Processing

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I'm currently in the process of becoming an expatriot. I've decided to join a group of people buying a business and land in the Amazon Jungle. The group is purchasing land which will be used to produce plant for medicine food and house the community.

This is true off grid living, in the place I was at last Iquitos there are no roads, thus shipping even a small box is extremely expensive. In the permanent location the city is a six hour trek by foot and boat, thus everything I bring with me is essential to me.

On to knives; I have "two" already. The first is my EDC, it's a ZT0350BW. I plan to use it as my primary edge, I currently use it for everything that is clean and won't damage the edge. For utility, I carry a Leatherman Wave, I use it for everything dirty like drywall, box tape etc, and hard wire cutters for anything that might damage the blade.

The thing I need is a pathfinder blade. The knife must make short work of 4+ inch hardwoods and wayward sapplings. In addition it will need to be capable of carving a path through the jungle.

My first thought is a Kukri and I have looked at a few already. I would prefer a way to keep my hand off the blade, either a ringed grip like a traditional Kukri, or a hilt. I would also like a lanyard so a hole in the pommel is preferable. Also the Kukri must be heavy enough and with a distinct wide spine to mimic a hatchet as a wedge, and be able to be hit from behind.

The Ontario is attractive but I don't need the black coating, the condor heavy seems perfect except no way to keep hand off the blade in a thrust. I've been thinking of a custom, but this is needs to be a hardworking knife that will last multiple lifetimes For me to justify 400 or 500 dollars. I also want good steel, I'm not the best free stone sharpener, and I don't want to deal with a rolled edge every day. I'm willin to spend money but the Nepalese blades seem cheap and easily replaceable, which would be effective, if not for my location.

Other options are a GB wildlife hatchet and a machete, both are dangerous to carry without a pack but excel at their individual purposes. I really don't like machetes, very rarely do they have an effective sheath especially when you buy it in Peru. And the hatchet is really effective wedge but will not clear a path. Thus the Kukri, although any advice is appreciated.
 
We did an adventure tour in the Costa Rica jungle 15 years ago. It was a one week nature watching tour, and all the guides carried a short 12 inch machete in a leather sheath on them as their personal cutting tool. They were used for everything. During the day when we were hiking trails, the lead guide carried a longer 24 inch machete as a path clearing tool. All the guides also had a nylon/velcro pouch on their belts that held a SAK and a Bic lighter. Around camp, the 12 inch machetes where used for cooking, kindling, slicing and icing to include the pig roast we had on the last night in the rain forest. The roast pig was served up using the small machetes.

If you don't have a liking for machetes, and plan to live in the Amazon, I suggest you develop a liking of them. Everyone and their little brother uses them because it is the most effective tool for the job. YOur ZT and Leatheman is just going to be excess weight on your belt.
 
No offense but you took a trip once I'm moving to the jungle, I'm taking more than one knife. I lived in the jungle for a month last year. I know everyone carries a machete, and they can't split wood with it. If I need a machete to mow a path I can buy one there.

I asked for advice on a personal knife that I can put on my hip that can clear a field if need, specifically 4 inch hardwood.

The guys in Costa Rica, and the Amazon Rainforest are a different breed all together, but they both use what they have access to. I have access to the best tools in the world while in the US, I'd like to take advantage while I'm here.
 
Let's see, you are looking for expert opinion, so let's move this to where you will get that...
Off to Outdoor Gear, Survival Equipment & More...
 
You are describing the Cold Steel Gurkha Plus khukuri. IMHO, it is the best of the modern khukuri. It's actually my favorite khukuri period. Some complain about the rubber handle, but many don't. It's good for gloved and gloveless use. There is nothing on it to rot off and the sheath is one of the best available and, being plastic, is maintenance free and tough. The steel, ergos, design, everything is outstanding. At 17" and 22 oz., it's also easy to carry and use all day. The FFG allows it to work well enough on springy vegetation and hard woods. I prefer the standard model without the guard, but if you need a guard, it's on the Plus model. As for the black finish, CS no longer uses it. I think that's a shame because it creates a blade where your only real rust concern is the edge. And CS' black finish was very tough. Mine's a black China Doll and I love it. Good luck.
 
If you don't want a machete the BK9 can still chop, and is surprisingly "knife like".

However, there is a reason the machete is king of the jungle. I worry the BK9 or no large chopper is going to cut flexible vines
 
Yeah I was looking at the cold steel kukri without the guard is SV5. The edge is clean and looks like it will be easy to sharpen, but I am concerned about the handle, I would prefer something in wood or horn. Is it full tang? Can modify some scales for it? Has your rubber handle ever given you a blister?
 
Yeah I was looking at the cold steel kukri without the guard is SV5. The edge is clean and looks like it will be easy to sharpen, but I am concerned about the handle, I would prefer something in wood or horn. Is it full tang? Can modify some scales for it? Has your rubber handle ever given you a blister?

Mine hasn't caused blisters, but I haven't done constant, extended work with it either. If I did, I'd wear gloves. Even a smooth rake handle or shovel will raise blisters with extended use unless gloves are used, in my experience. The SK5, which is their old steel, is great. It's the Japanese version of 1084 IIRC. Good clean high carbon. It holds a great edge, is easy to sharpen, and is very tough. They use 0-1 now, which many feel is better. Both will rust. The tang is full-length, as it extends beyond the lanyard hole almost to the end of the rubber, but is not full-profile. It's a non-issue though as it's a full 5/16" thick slab. You'll not break the tang. It is an incredibly well balanced blade.

There is a gent in England who has re-handled one. I assume any knife maker could put micarta on for you. I think that is an improvement CS should have done long ago. But, the rubber does work very well for my use. If you want a khuk, I highly recommend it. A great "straight" version, if you can call it that, is the ESEE Junglas. I had one and loved it. It and the Gurkha filled the same niche, but I preferred khukuri, so I sold the Junglas. The Junglas is the same size overall, comes with a great sheath, and offers micarta. Good luck.

This is a pic of the re-handled one from the CS sub-forum.
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Thank you for the advice, I think I can go either way with SV5 or the 0-1. I think I'll use it first and put it through some paces before I leave the states, that way I can have a knife maker rehandle it if need be.
 
First, I am not familiar at all with the area where you'll be moving.

I have spent much time living "primitively" with many modern pieces of gear.

I have used the following for clearing trails through briars, vines, hedge, and 2" branches and saplings:

Busse BWM, Busse AK47, Swamp Rat Waki, Scrapyard 1311, Bark River Bolo and Golok, various Cold Steel machetes, and a machete by Huntsman Knife Co. I've used other things, but these are what I would consider if in your position. I would pick at least two if staying "permanently", one more knife-like and the Huntsman Knife Co. machete.

I would then take two good fixed blade knives, 4-7".

Without a doubt, I'd carry a Silky saw with several spare blades.

I would take a good multi-tool or two and a Spyderco Salt folder or two.

I wouldn't carry that much stuff for a 6 month trip or a thru hike, but I would for something "permanent".
 
I would grab either an esee 6 or a becker bk7 for a solid belt knife priced right in that size bracket. The reason I suggest these 2 other than their solid reputation is that as you know shit happens in the jungle, boats capsize, torrential rain, thick cover, knives can easily get lost. So for the price of a custom you could get a couple. I would also consider grabbing a couple of martindale goloks. They are cheap with good steel in a proven design, I have taken one with me on all my jungle trips for use in camp. I usually profile one thicker at the edge for use as a dedicated kindling/beater knife and another one with a thinner edge for shaping wood(used like a hatchet).Hope this helps.
 
Are you looking for tools to meander the bush with or proper tools with which to build a homestead from nothing in the middle of a jungle? I'm expert, not at all in the jungle. But they are definitely two different concepts which would have me personally looking at two way different sets of tools.

As far as machete's go I had a pair of Tramontina's ages ago, still have one. Used the living crap out of them on a farm clearing all kinds of junk. They got beat, I mean HARD and regularly. I don't see a reason to go horking huge amounts of dollars on a machete. If you can use a file and a stone and they should go strong and last long. Feel free to blow all your cash on something overpriced. Also, if you're looking at Kuk's take a trip over to the HI forums for a good kuk, good reputation, and cheaper than you'll get a CS Gurkha for.

Good luck man, sounds like the adventure of a lifetime.

EDIT: The reason I only have 1 of two Tram's remaining isn't destruction in use. It was stolen while helping clean up after a tornado hit the town I was in one summer. Shame, 'cause the lost one was my favorite of the two.
 
I would go with a machete and a Swiss Army Knife. Anything else would be excess weight and you will hate carrying it. I am a hiker in the Appalachian Trail. Some nasty terrain, thick hardwoods, and steep, rocky, and wet mountains. Anything more than a belt knife and a SAK is excessive for three seasons. For the jungle, machete and SAK.
 
Our land is permanent in that we own it, and will be growing medicinal supplements indigenous to the jungle. So ya a few knives will be good. I've put a lot of use into my current knives and they look it.

The wood is very dense, and you must have a wedge to split the wood in the jungle, even when dried. If I buy a machete I will have to have a hatchet as a wedge, I was hoping to save some space get a cool knife in the process by going with the kukri.

Thank you for the resposes I'm looking at all options, I have a few more months to go.
 
I think the kukri is a poor compromise. I got a lot of use out of a Ka-bar kuck before tranding it (although now I wish I hadn't) and while it is better than the same size machete for chopping hard stuff, for everything else its worse.

In your position, I would be looking at how many tools I could take down there, and what sort of tools would be useful for what you are doing. Saw blades that can have handles fitted on location are far better for removing large wood. Axes are for chopping. Again, handle can be made down there. A draw knife, or spokeshave if you have the inclination to use them. a box of moras or a reliable fixed blade in that range would give you a lot of utility, but for production level work, an ax or adze will be much faster once you have the skills.

Are you planning on building a house/shelter? why else do you need to cut such large wood?
 
I would browse the Valiant site, they have tons of indigenous designs http://valiantco.com/
I am a big fan of the 15.5" blade "survival golok L" for yard work, no point but great design for chopping and slashing, I got one based on good reviews - the XL one is not as lively in use as the L
although if most of my work was chopping 4" hardwoods I'd go with a bigger Busse, INFI steel is made for abuse
and for splitting wood specifically, that's really an axe job
 
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400-500$ would probably go a long way towards hiring a few locals to clear out the brush.

That's like 2 months salary down there isn't it?

Which, coincidentally, is about the time it would take to clear even a small cluster of 4 inch hardwood trees using hand tools.

Living in the jungle for a month on a first world income and making a living in the jungle are different things entirely. Think this through OP.
 
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