Keeping the Tradition and Dream Alive

Karda

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I know that this post has been a long time in coming. Dear Uncle was very good at doing these things, Auntie is far too busy to write long essays and i am no literary expert, but i will give it the old college try without any college education. Please bear with me and forgive my seeming lack of eloquence, diction and literary structure.
It has been a very long and hard road since Uncles passing. When he left us and H.I. there was an immense gap that at times seemingly could never be filled. The void from his presence is still tangible here and in the lives of those he touched, and rightfully so, as he was a dearly and much loved man. Even though i myself never had the pleasure of knowing or speaking with him, i can feel his presence in these forums, in those that knew him and in every conversation i've had with his dear wife Auntie Yangdu and in those dear friends of his whom i've come to personally know. I have to feel and come to understand that he is still with us in many ways and forms and is still guiding us today as much as he is able from the bardo. Of course he has had help from his right hand man, Rusty all along, and from the several fine members and Cantanistas that have passed before us into the sunset. With the recent additions to the Sky Cantina, i feel that he and we will have even more good help from beyond. I have to believe that my parents reside at the sky cantina also, having found Uncle and the Cantinistas to be good righteous people and sent me on my quest to find this place i've come to call my home and all of you family.

I know it may seem silly to some and even possibly pretentious of me to think this way, but i feel i came here to this forum not by chance at all, but by carefully guided providence. My own losses of family members and lifes trials and tribulations sent me seeking. Seeking an answer to lifes meaning and purpose and the reason/s why we are here to go thru such strife and tribulation.
I have come to know that thru these things we must endure come enlightenment, strength and insight, even if that insight often comes from hindsight. Without the tribulations we cannot know true joy or appreciate it fully. I have to believe that my own parents guided me here to find Uncle Bills words and Aunties friendship along with the friendship of all of you, to help me further my education as a sentient being, to find the enlightenment i was seeking, the answers to my lifes questions and to give me a goal and purpose beyond the everyday things we all must go thru. You see, i was as rudderless as this forum was without Uncles guidance, having lost the two most important people in my life. My father whom tried to teach me all this as a young man whom was too stubborn to listen and my mother whom, despite her own illness, always protected me and never let me feel unloved.

I will not go into detail about the time between Uncle Bills passing and my finding this lovely oasis on the internet in a knife forum, as i was not a party to it, although i have heard some of the stories from people who've experienced it and have read quite alot in the archives. I feel that while i don't know all the specifics, to do have a good grasp on most of it and feel qualified to speak about it some small way.
To the old members here...... Uncle Bill would have liked to see this whole thing thru to the end and never leave us, but life just doesnt work that way. We all have an expiration date at some time and knowing so, we must do the best we can while we are here. To do the best we can to be all that we can be and stand by the things that are right and true and those that we believe in. Auntie and Himalayan Imports in general appreciate your friendship, support and help, both past and present and wish for your continued presence, friendship and help in the future.
To the present and former moderators.......As a Mod here for Auntie and H.I. and as a Supermod for the BFc site (and a mod on some forums previously) i know this job all too well. It is often a tiring, frustrating and thankless task we undertake and is, even at the best of times a diffucult one prone to be depressing. As with life it has the other side of that coin and can be as fulfilling and joyful as any life experiences. I want you to know that your service here has been much appreciated, as is your friendship. Despite how anything was done, actions taken or even words said, that Auntie appreciates your fine efforts and friendship and wishes, with apologies, to put these things behind us and hopes for your continued presence and friendship.
To new members and customers.... Your friendship and patronage is much appreciated. We hope you find our products and friendship adequate and hope that you will find your place in our family. We do appreciate each and everyone. We are Thankful. We also hope that you come to understand that this is more than mere business. That here you can find the answers to questions you never knew you were seeking, and that peace and friendship are the norm on this forum.

As for the few complaints we've been trying to address over this last year or so in regards to quality of product and service.
One must understand the logistics of this endeavor, as it is truly mind boggling to grasp.
Over the past 7 years, Himalayan Imports has been in somewhat of a flux. Due to losing it's captain and first mate, but also due to changing economic times, wars and general change that normally happens as a part of life. Old Kamis have left the fold to be replaced with new, some returning when they find that the grass isnt always greener or needing to find us again to take back their place in this family of ours. Auntie and Pala truly do consider each and every Kami, Manager, Sarki, Moderator and all of you customers as friends and family here. Although overworked as they both are, they still try to keep things going as a business, but also as a Dharma work and path to walk. The main goal is not profitabilty (although it would be nice) but to provide sustainance for those in need, both physically and spiritually. To provide an oasis where one can find the comfort of like minded individuals and in doing so promote good karma and proper thinking.
The new Kamis are being taught as best we can to do their best work to provide world class khukri to our customers. This is a difficult task, as the norm in nepal is to produce cheap goods and bulk product to gain as much profitability as possible from them. Himalayan Imports has never, ever followed this business model. Instead we choose to produce fine khukri for export to the world to negate the long standing idea that most traditional khukuri are wall hanger crap. We do this as a point of pride for the nepali people, whom despite being desperately poor, are capable and willing to produce some very fine products in their own right. Despite dwindling resourses, difficulites in procuring them along with supplies of fuel both for our generator and forges.
Add to it the politics of such, with the ever changing politics in the region and you may come to realise just how difficult this all has been on the shoulders of Auntie and Pala alone. I feel that i've barely scratched the surface here, but i think that most of you already understand and grasp the situation. Sure we have had inconvieniences and small setbacks, H.I. has always had them. It is the nature of this business. But overall the quality of product and the world class service that Auntie provides has remained much the same.

Now you know why i do what i do here and why i sometimes seem terse and defensive. It is because i try to keep my eyes and mind open and i believe in all of this so whole heartedly that i'm willing to spend my time and energy here for a friendship, a thank you and sometimes even a small consideration when availbale. I will do whatever Auntie and Pala ask of me, just because i see their goodness and believe in what this all is and stands for. I know i will never be able to remotely fill Uncle Bills shoes. I wont try to think that i ever can. But i will do my best to be of any service that i can in his stead.

I feel that H.I. has done an amazingly fine job despite the circumstances.

Uncle said previously that when he and Pala are gone, he feared it would be the end of Himalayan Imports.
While it remains to be seen because none of us can tell what the future may bring, We... Auntie, Pala and i are doing our level best to see to it that H.I. does not end with us, but grows and continues to prosper in the same manner with the same goals as have always been at the core of this endeavor. Dharma.
We now have a shop 3 with a new manager and kamis and hopefully they all will be able to act in Palas stead when he retires and after he goes into his next life. Terisha is staying with Auntie now, going to school and learning the ropes as the stateside helm of this great ship we are on. We are doing our best along with the daily duties, to see that Himalayan Imports remains at the top of it's game in providing the best hand-forged khukuri by the finest craftmen that Nepal has to offer. To provide a means and a way of keeping time honored family traditions of khukuri making alive, to provide opportunity for those whom seek it, despite caste or anything else, along with Uncle Bills dream of giving back to the country he was not born in, but came to know and love as "Home"
It is everyones wish that Himalayan Imports continues as it always has, With the work and dream intact. We wish it to continue as it has been for at least another wonderful 25 years. We are doing our level best to make this so. With fine friends and selfless help we are confident that this also seemingly impossible task will be overcome and while the faces will change the traditions and friendships will continue and that we also will be remembered fondly in some small way when we are no longer a part of this life.
At present there will be noone to replace me and i will contunue to mod and help Auntie as long as she allows and i am able. Perhaps my son will gain more of an appreciation for my obsession with khukuri and enlightenment and choose to take my place when i'm no longer here. That will remain to be seen.
It is my only wish that all of you see that i speak from my heart and wish nothing but the best for everyone and everything involved. I only wish to be remembered as one of many who've stepped up to do my small part here in this life, for something i truly believe in.

What has this to do with life?
What has this to do with khukuris?

Everything........
 
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Much respect and many thanks for Karda, the Kami's, Yangdu and really all in the H.I. company and community.
 
I have to believe that my own parents guided me here to find Uncle Bills words and Aunties friendship along with the friendship of all of you, to help me further my education as a sentient being, to find the enlightenment i was seeking, the answers to my lifes questions and to give me a goal and purpose beyond the everyday things we all must go thru.

I haven't lost my parents, but I felt that I had lost my way. It was a strange twist of fate that lead me to to this forum. I took a winding, backwards path, but I ended up here. And here I will stay. I have found true inspiration in the Buddhist principles that are the core of what I've found in HI. My wife and I both became interested in Buddhism independently. Years ago I recommended Buddhism (or its like) to her as a way to find inner peace. I was too arrogant at the time to take the same advice. She of course ignored me. Then last year we visited Niagara Falls, CA. Our hotel was right next to a Buddhist temple. She was enthralled. While I didn't know that I was looking for such a thing, the idea stuck in my head as well.

Fast forward 6 months... I read a few books(MHI), and came to the conclusion that I needed a Ganga Ram. Well, it turns out this is the place to get them. I ordered one from the website without even knowing this forum was here. When I found the forum, and read, and read, and read, I knew that I'd found something special. My wife and I aren't Buddhists. But we're both working on the principles found in Buddhism. Living in Morgantown, WV, and with my irregular work schedule, it isn't very easy to become Buddhists.

I know one thing for sure. When I spend more time on this forum, I feel better about life. I feel better about the future, knowing that there are people out there that are making a difference. I hope that I contribute to the good Karma of this forum.

I didn't know Uncle Bill, Randy, or the others who left us. I wish I had know them. I feel blessed that their words are still here for me to read, and I've learned much from them already.

Thank you Karda, your words touched me and remind me again about what a special place this is. And how thankful I am that I found it.

-Isaac
 
Thank you, Isaac!
It is good to know that my thoughts were understood and even felt by you all.
Each and evey one of you plays a part in this drama we call life, we are thankful here for your presence in this episode of it.

I was the wild child of my family. Despite my many faults and all the problems i gave mom and dad, they saw in me a good person with a good heart and never gave up on or let me down. I hope i've in some small way given that back to them in their time of need. I cared for them both as best i could when they passed on and took care of the matters needed afterwards.
I have neither been a good christian, nor a good buddhist, although i believe in both. I don't want to turn this into a religious discussion, so let me just say that whatever religion to choose, it is important what your inner self is and what/where your heart is.
 
Fantastic post, Karda:)
Almost as wordy as one of mine;):D

As irony would have it, I typed out a LONG replay with many anecdotes...which the computer promptly ate because I walked away long enough for my browser to forget I was still logged in:o

In short, I have never been more honored or proud to be part of something as I am to be a member of the HI community. For the last decade, this place and you people have been family to me. Not LIKE a family, but an actual family. When we lose one, I feel it. When one of you is blessed with another child, I mention it gladly to my wife. People get caught up with their Facebook "friends", but a bunch of vapid self centered posts about what they had for dinner or that they need their "crops" watered can compete with the earnest connection I feel with you folks and this company.

I simply cannot thank HI, Pala, Uncle Bill, and Yangdu enough for what they have done for me and my family over the years. The lessons I have been able to glean from how Uncle Bill ran the day-to-day are enacted at MY place of business every single day. Treat your customers right. Do business in such a way that you can look at yourself in the mirror. Understand your Duty as a human being to other human beings.

It is never "just business". Conducting sales in such a way may not seat you as deep in the black, but it repays you in many, many other ways.

I look at the state of HI's member base now, and I am hopeful:) Even years after losing Uncle Bill and Rusty, we are still getting an influx of honest to goodness "good guys and gals" to post and contribute. I know Uncle Bill would be proud. Rusty would be glad that none of you are repeat offender trolls that he would have to toss overboard:D
 
Thank you for reminding us all what Himalayan Imports is all about. It is not just business. It is family and friends and doing things right because in life it matters.
 
Well said. Blades are as much about community for me as they are about the form and function. I certainly hope HI continues to grow, yet still retain its reputation for excellence.
 
Thank you for explaining what is happening these days with you and Himalayan Imports. I read and hear from folks like yourself (close to the situation) about the bad conditions in Nepal the political, physical, Spiritual, and economical. The news seems always bad which is a shame. I wish you, Pala, and Yangdu strength and happiness for the future. Personally Karda I think you are very intelligent and a fine man for the the job.

Some members don't exactly like my posts on what I believe a "fine khukuri" to be. Which is basically any Kukri a Nepali farmer or Gurkha would use in Nepal and in war. So if I wanted a fighter I would check what Gurkha's used to fight with and if I wanted to do bushcraft I would.. and so on. If you like non-traditional Kukri that's OK but just know that it is non-traditional or a hybrid that could be more western than Nepali.

The traditional type of Kukri I think most people want and think they are buying. But we being American, or another counties citizen have no basis on what a "real" Kukri is. And so the Khukuri Houses step in to export the unbalanced, chunky, heavily overweight, and shinny monsters that aren't really used in Nepal at all but appeal to the manly man in us foreigners. Of course that's business.

I think this is the reason people see export/tourist Kukri as "mostly wall hanger crap". We don't see many brand new "proper" traditional khukuri and so that is one reason I had dismissed the Khukuri early in life. It was only after buying antique Khukuri from the IMA acquisition sale did I "see the light".

It is my wish for Kukri manufactures to study the Kukris in the museums right there in Kathmandu and make those type (proper weight and dimensions) from all points of history because that is pure, functional, real, and art. I know this may be an unpopular opinion but as a customer of fine Kukri I think this type would out sell the monster choppers called Kukri that are being made today.
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Alot of the time i agree with what you post on the subject, SC.
I like the old museum pieces too, and would like to see some khukuri made that are like them, however, people need to understand why H.I. makes the Khukuri it does and why they may seem overbuilt.
It is for pretty much along the same line of reasoning as the larger handles. They are for the western market where Ideas and Ideals are quite different from the thinking of most Nepali. Alot us westerners have come to expect a blade such as a khukuri to be a do-it-all blade that will withstand whatever abuse it is put thru and do so without roll, chips or other damage and some even get minimal or no care.
Most nepali, being very poor, are far more careful with their tools. If they want to chop larger trees, they usually don't use a khukuri. They will match an implement to the job and will usually use an axe,hatchet. They usually dont use the khukuri for anything more than what we would consider "general use" on this forum. Us westerners like to use them in place of a Hatchet in most cases, so H.I.'s product has grown to match the profile that would suit the purpose of chopping wood, what we would call "Field Use" here.
 
Alot of the time i agree with what you post on the subject, SC.
I like the old museum pieces too, and would like to see some khukuri made that are like them, however, people need to understand why H.I. makes the Khukuri it does and why they may seem overbuilt.
It is for pretty much along the same line of reasoning as the larger handles. They are for the western market where Ideas and Ideals are quite different from the thinking of most Nepali. Alot us westerners have come to expect a blade such as a khukuri to be a do-it-all blade that will withstand whatever abuse it is put thru and do so without roll, chips or other damage and some even get minimal or no care.
Most nepali, being very poor, are far more careful with their tools. If they want to chop larger trees, they usually don't use a khukuri. They will match an implement to the job and will usually use an axe,hatchet. They usually dont use the khukuri for anything more than what we would consider "general use" on this forum. Us westerners like to use them in place of a Hatchet in most cases, so H.I.'s product has grown to match the profile that would suit the purpose of chopping wood, what we would call "Field Use" here.

I love your "overbuilt monsters" because I am much larger and stronger than your average person in Nepal and like things that are hard to break.
 
What is the typical length, weight and blade thickness of a museum piece?

Each historical piece would have to be evaluated in its own right and the term "Typical" would be hard to define.

Generally and old traditional khukuri will be thinner (around 1/4" or even less) and lighter. It will also have a much shorter handle.
While all H.I. models are usually based in some way on historical models (so the lengthof the blade will be similar), they will usually be thicker, heavier and more attention is paid to durability. They will also have larger handles made for our western sized mitts.

http://www.himalayan-imports.com/Historical.htm
 
I think that HI has a nice balance of different Khukuri styles. From what I've seen(and there are many models that I haven't found on here yet) there is a khukuri for every possible need and desire. While some like big heavy choppers, others enjoy the selection of fighting blades. And there are many models in between that are more versatile in that they can do nearly everything well. Add to that the fact they will take custom orders, and you have a place where all of us can find the knives of our dreams.


.... now if I can just convince my wife that I really do NEED a custom Hanshee, a Katana, a Tarwar, and all the others that are piling up on my "list"....:rolleyes:
 
http://www.fishgame.com/newsblog.php?p=10383#.UEbTu5a9yS0

The current typical chopping competition knife is made of about 1/4" CPM M4 (some thicker) - not nearly as resistant to impact as 5160 (vehicle spring steel). With money and glory at stake, a broken competition knife is a disaster and a very public adverse publicity for the maker.

What might be done?

This seems way off-topic here. I usually enjoy this type of thing, like the lumberjack competitions, but the events in the video are very artificial except for the wood chopping at the end, and the competitors struggled with that one. Despite the comment about variety at the beginning, most of the knives seemed almost identical -- not surprising, since competitors usually copy the most effective designs in any sport. Basically they were swinging giant straight-razors with thickened spines. This is no reflection on the people competing.

I can see that a broken competition knife would be bad publicity for the maker, but the only knife maker identified in the video -- very prominently -- is Spyderco, and it's not clear who made the knives that were used. Is this video an advertisement for Spyderco?

-- Dave
 
Slightly veering off-topic with what a "traditional" khuk is and why you don't see many of them made by exporters to the West, it's simple:

People want their cake and eat it too...and then complain that it was just regular chocolate when they wanted devil's food:p

As Karda said, the typical Nepali farmer will instinctively know the limitations of his blade. He will make dozens of small, precise shaving cuts letting the weight of the blade do the work. He knows this because he was handed a khuk as a toddler and shown how to use it by his parents. I'm going to go out on a limb here and try to guess the first tool that most Westerners are allowed to handle. It would be something "safe" that you couldn't cut yourself on or poke yourself in the eye with. It would be something every household probably has at least one of. It would be....a hammer;)

Westerners (especially Americans) like to smash things into submission. Now, I'm not lumping us all into the same pile here. Many of us posting know about using the right tool for the right job and the limitations of said tool. But many folks don't, and if it's not unbreakable under the most strenuous of uses...well, then it's inferior junk! I honestly believe it is in our blood to "test" the breaking point of things.

Case in point: Those of a certain age will remember back to school picture day. You lined up and waited for the photographer to take your picture. In the meantime, they handed out plastic combs to each and every one of you. Stamped down the side in big bold letters "UNBREAKABLE". What was the first thing you did with your comb? It wasn't run it through your hair or stick it in your back pocket for later use. No, the comb was CHALLENGING you! You had to test the mettle of this beauty accessory's claims, and you ferociously went to work bending the comb back and forth and back and forth until the plastic changed from red to pink to white and got nearly as hot in your 6 year old hands until finally in one gooey snap the UNBREAKABLE comb gave up the ghost;)

I actually wouldn't mind seeing some very traditional glued or pinned blades come out of HI with the understanding that this is a knife to be used like a Nepali would use it and not bashed around like the Incredible Hulk. Used "correctly", a khuk could last a full lifetime of use with a simple glue and pin at the tang and grip. It's actually a stronger junction than people give it credit. A quality handle and a properly secured grip will hold up just fine if used correctly. That last part is the key.

The problem is that HI (and other khuk manufacturers for that matter) put their necks out there making something truly traditional with the risk that some yahoo takes it to a 4' across seasoned oak log and wonders why the blade works loose after 3 hours of whacking away at the stump:rolleyes:
 
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