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Knife carry in Israel
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Hello!
As people carry guns around (M-16, Uzi, Galil) quite frequently i don't think any one would care if you had a knife, or several...
But i'm not sure, just food for thoughts!
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Be well!/Jonas aka 2Sharp
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As people carry guns around (M-16, Uzi, Galil) quite frequently i don't think any one would care if you had a knife, or several...
But i'm not sure, just food for thoughts!
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Be well!/Jonas aka 2Sharp
"May all your detonations be expected"
The coolest bar in the world: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Camp/8373/index.html
Caveman,
At last - I can say something about a subject I really understand something about...
The law in Israel is somewhat similar to the old law in England (it is based on it, and many pats of it has not been changed or were slightly modified)
Anyway - basically: you are NOT allowed to carry a knife at all. That is - unless you have a good cause for it.
A knife is defined as an edged tool with either of the conditions set forth:
A blade longer then 10 Cm (roughly 4 inches) OR a blade that is lockable in any manner.
If your tool has a blade of less then 10cm AND is UN-lockable - then you can carry it at will (most SAK qualify)
This translates to - any modern safe and reasonable folder is considered a knife, and knives - as stated above - are illegal to carry. Unless you have a reasonable and justifiable cause to carry them.
Complicated? We are only starting.
A few reasons were seen as reasonable by Israeli courts during the years - Conducting ones business (if your line of work requires the daily use of a knife, pilling oranges (I am not kidding) etc.
The problem lies in the ETC. - no one can tell what cause will be regarded as a reasonable one by a specific court.
Add to that the fact that the real decision shall be made by a police officer that is not bound by the constitution (we still don't have one) and you realize how painful this may turn.
My advice to you is as follows:
You are a tourist - so you eat outside, have picnics, cut your own food etc. - for this reason you need a knife. DO NOT - by no means - refer to your knife as a self-defense weapon - this is sure to lead you into trouble.
Also - try to avoid Fantasy looking scary blades - go for the plain looking versions.
And above all -dress, behave and talk like a gentleman - and your knife become a gentleman's tool.
Act like a caveman.... oops.
You get the drift.
BTW - the fact you see soldiers and civilians alike carrying full auto weapons and handguns DOES NOT as of itself mean YOU can carry anything...
Email me for further instructions.
Gadi
At last - I can say something about a subject I really understand something about...
The law in Israel is somewhat similar to the old law in England (it is based on it, and many pats of it has not been changed or were slightly modified)
Anyway - basically: you are NOT allowed to carry a knife at all. That is - unless you have a good cause for it.
A knife is defined as an edged tool with either of the conditions set forth:
A blade longer then 10 Cm (roughly 4 inches) OR a blade that is lockable in any manner.
If your tool has a blade of less then 10cm AND is UN-lockable - then you can carry it at will (most SAK qualify)
This translates to - any modern safe and reasonable folder is considered a knife, and knives - as stated above - are illegal to carry. Unless you have a reasonable and justifiable cause to carry them.
Complicated? We are only starting.
A few reasons were seen as reasonable by Israeli courts during the years - Conducting ones business (if your line of work requires the daily use of a knife, pilling oranges (I am not kidding) etc.
The problem lies in the ETC. - no one can tell what cause will be regarded as a reasonable one by a specific court.
Add to that the fact that the real decision shall be made by a police officer that is not bound by the constitution (we still don't have one) and you realize how painful this may turn.
My advice to you is as follows:
You are a tourist - so you eat outside, have picnics, cut your own food etc. - for this reason you need a knife. DO NOT - by no means - refer to your knife as a self-defense weapon - this is sure to lead you into trouble.
Also - try to avoid Fantasy looking scary blades - go for the plain looking versions.
And above all -dress, behave and talk like a gentleman - and your knife become a gentleman's tool.
Act like a caveman.... oops.
You get the drift.
BTW - the fact you see soldiers and civilians alike carrying full auto weapons and handguns DOES NOT as of itself mean YOU can carry anything...
Email me for further instructions.
Gadi
Whoa!
Stupid of me, i stand corrected (in a corner and very much ashamed)
Thanx for the information!
BTW, is it hard to get a permit to carry any firearm? for an ordinary civilian that is.
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Be well!/Jonas aka 2Sharp
"May all your detonations be expected"
The coolest bar in the world: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Camp/8373/index.html
Stupid of me, i stand corrected (in a corner and very much ashamed)
Thanx for the information!
BTW, is it hard to get a permit to carry any firearm? for an ordinary civilian that is.
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Be well!/Jonas aka 2Sharp
"May all your detonations be expected"
The coolest bar in the world: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Camp/8373/index.html
2Sharp,
Lighten up and come back from your corner....
After 500 and something messages I finally find a subject on which I half-know what I'm talking about...
Anyway - it is not easy to get a license - and the fact that you'd see many soldiers in the streets with M-16 and Galil (The Israeli imitation of the Kalachnikiv) does not have anything to do with private citizens.
The fact is - it is allot harder to get CCW in Israel then it is almost anywhere in the states.
For further details - email me or open a thread in the firearms forum...
;-)
Lighten up and come back from your corner....
After 500 and something messages I finally find a subject on which I half-know what I'm talking about...
Anyway - it is not easy to get a license - and the fact that you'd see many soldiers in the streets with M-16 and Galil (The Israeli imitation of the Kalachnikiv) does not have anything to do with private citizens.
The fact is - it is allot harder to get CCW in Israel then it is almost anywhere in the states.
For further details - email me or open a thread in the firearms forum...
;-)
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As long as you stay out of trouble, carrying a knife shouldn't be a problem, though I agree that you're better off with a "using" rather than a more tactical looking blade. Be aware though that Israel is a security conscious country (for good reason!) and if you're carrying a knife you have to plan accordingly. For example, all approaches to the Kotel (Western Wall) in the old city of Jerusalem have security checkpoints with metal detectors. I've seen them allow people with small pocketknives through, but turn away people with larger knives. But you never know. Enjoy your trip.
Thanx Blilious!
I'm out of the corner
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Be well!/Jonas aka 2Sharp
"May all your detonations be expected"
The coolest bar in the world: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Camp/8373/index.html
I'm out of the corner
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Be well!/Jonas aka 2Sharp
"May all your detonations be expected"
The coolest bar in the world: http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Camp/8373/index.html
Thanks for the help guys. A knife is not all that much of a self defense weapon for me. Besides, I'll probably be able to defend myself better without it (since I am only starting to learn knife fighting). I am planning to take a Spyderco Native with me (plain edge), so there should not be any problems.
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I don't suffer from insanity ... I enjoy every moment of it
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I don't suffer from insanity ... I enjoy every moment of it
I carried my usual Victorinox electrician and multiplier with no problems all over Israel, and these are readily available in Jerusalem and elsewhere. You pretty much will need these if you are camping like we were. I also bought a kindjal in the Old City (don't forget to barter!), but of course I didn't try to take it to the Wall or Temple Mount or anywhere sensitive. We felt pretty safe in most of Israel, with lots of heavily armed IDF around who acted far more professional than USA cops. It's hard to keep your cool when people are throwing rocks at you, but I saw it multiple times and the IDF folks remained calm.