Knife Law question: wilderness use

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I have a two-fold question:

1) do knife laws for concealed and unconcealed carry also apply in the woods, when one is camping? For example, in my home state of TN, where the maximum legal carry length for a fixed-blade knife is 4": Would I be subject to arrest for carrying a knife with a longer-than-4" blade in the woods when I'm camping?

2) Are there federal knife laws which apply in all National Parks? Or do the state knife laws of the state where the Park is located apply?

Thanks...
 
Well, that's just it--many state laws have length restrictions for concealed carry. Some do not. And many base it on intent, so that having a large wilderness or hunting knife within context of hiking, hunting, or camping is perfectly legitimate.

Secondly, even if your state would allow them, the local rules apply. A state park can have its own rules, and these can be quite different from a national park. In turn, two adjacent national parks can sometimes have different rules based on the decision of the park ranger.

You really have to check into whose jurisdiction applies at each location. It's not easy, that's for sure.
 
Strictly speaking, laws apply everywhere unless there is an exception set down in the statute itself. Now, some state laws have specific exceptions for people engaged in fishing/camping/hunting and may or may not make mention of having a valid hunting or fishing license.

One thing worth noting is that while doing outdoors activities, concealment is less of an issue if the state law only covers carrying concealed and no openly. You can open carry without many worries while hiking or hunting, whereas open carry in a 7-11 might get a worried call to the police even if technically legal. For example over hear in Maryland, our laws on blades are strictly related to concealment. Out on the trail you can carry a machete if you want so long as it's carried openly.

In Tennessee, the "4 inch law," § 39-17-1307, contains the following defenses, enumerated under § 39-17-1308:

(a) It is a defense to the application of § 39-17-1307 if the possession or carrying was:
...
(3) At the person's:
(A) Place of residence;
(B) Place of business; or
(C) Premises;
(4) Incident to lawful hunting, trapping, fishing, camping, sport shooting or other lawful activity;
(5) By a person possessing a rifle or shotgun while engaged in the lawful protection of livestock from predatory animals;
...
(9) By any person possessing a club or baton who holds a certificate that the person has had training in the use of a club or baton for self-defense that is valid and issued by a certified person authorized to give training in the use of clubs or batons, and is not prohibited from purchasing a firearm under any local, state or federal laws;

Full Statute Here

So it would appear TN has a camping exception to the law.

Now for National Parks, several sources I have consulted claim that the parks are considered federal property. While this makes them partially exempt from some state laws, it subjects them to the highly restrictive Federal property weapon law (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000930----000-.html). This limits all blades to 2.5" or less, and even bear spray is illegal. At least, that is what many rangers on these parks claim. I say that because if you read the statute, it technically only applies to buildings. In truth I have gotten different versions of this story and to my knowledge, the issue hasn't been challenged in court yet.
 
Now for National Parks, several sources I have consulted claim that the parks are considered federal property. While this makes them partially exempt from some state laws, it subjects them to the highly restrictive Federal property weapon law...

This limits all blades to 2.5" or less, and even bear spray is illegal. At least, that is what many rangers on these parks claim. I say that because if you read the statute, it technically only applies to buildings. In truth I have gotten different versions of this story and to my knowledge, the issue hasn't been challenged in court yet.

I just read it, and it specifically defines a Federal "facility" as a building. Those park rangers are lying to you...but that's not possible...the government and it's representaives don't lie to the citizenry, do they?
 
Thanks, glistam!

your excerpt from TN state law answers my question about camping, at least here in TN...

as far as National Parks, I've carried my Busse BBSH Steel Heart (7.5" blade) in full view of Park Rangers in several Parks, so it seems the 2.5" blade length restriction doesn't apply; or maybe I was just fortunate that the Rangers I encountered weren't hard-asses...

and thanks to everyone else who replied.

it seems that, in order to be safe, a camping trip across the US will involve researching the knife laws of every state I plan to be camping in... a pain in the ass, but better than landing in jail and getting my knife confiscated...

Here's a book someone recommended to me: Knife Laws of the Fifty States: A Guide for the Law-Abiding Traveler by lawyer David Wong

It was published in 2006, so some things may have changed since.

Amazon has it for $21.33:

http://www.amazon.com/Knife-Laws-Fi...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265484489&sr=8-1
 
I want to take my CS Trailmaster into the bush but would like to know if that is going to be a problem in a national forest park given that it is 9.5 inches long.

Short answer: No.
If there's any place that you have a "reason" to have a large knife, it's in the woods. There's no legal difference between a 2" knife and a 12" knife in any case.
"what's that big knife for son"?
"choppin' wood sir"
 
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