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Knife Patterns

Discussion in 'Shop Talk - BladeSmith Questions and Answers' started by KamSingh, May 7, 2019.

  1. KamSingh

    KamSingh

    748
    Jan 9, 2006
    Hi Guys,

    I'm creating a collection of knife patterns for anyone to freely download on the Knife Wiki

    I have stared by creating a list of categories such as Bowie, Dagger, Hunting, etc.

    I am now searching for appropriate patterns to use, would appreciate some help from members here.

    Regards,

    Kam
     
  2. KNelson

    KNelson

    103
    Jan 9, 2019
    Are you looking to use other makers patterns to make public for anyone to use?
     
  3. KamSingh

    KamSingh

    748
    Jan 9, 2006
    I would prefer to use designs that are already in the public domain but if makers want to share their designs for anyone to use then yes that is also okay, full credit will of course be given.
     
  4. Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

    Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith ilmarinen - MODERATOR Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 20, 2004
    No need to re-create the wheel. Find the Lloyd Harding knife pattern collection. Lloyd's family made it a gift to the knife community after his death. There are probably a thousand or more. They are already broken down by category. They go from simple silhouettes to detailed drawings with notes.
    Here is one source for Lloyd's drawings that I have used:
    http://www.mediafire.com/?bvr7nnmcc88sh5g

    Her is an example of one in the Bowie file:
    upload_2019-5-7_9-21-46.png
     
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  5. Natlek

    Natlek

    Jun 9, 2015
    removed for likely copyright infringement
    I have no idea is this legally , so .....................
     
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  6. KamSingh

    KamSingh

    748
    Jan 9, 2006
    Excellent, thank you Stacy!

    The Wiki like this forum is open for anyone to register and upload images, create articles or just add to the database of knifemakers worldwide.
     
  7. daizee

    daizee KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 30, 2009
    What's the incentive for makers to participate in this?

    Someone tried this six or seven years ago, posted reproduced patterns of makers' knives and made them freely available, as if that's what the community wanted (it wasn't). Makes it even easier for China and others to create knock-offs without credit. While trademark protection is kind of tricky in this industry because it is so ancient, a lot of makers consider their patterns to be their own intellectual property.

    The thread here on BF about that last attempt got pretty heated, IIRC, though in this case you're proposing it as an invitation instead of posting/reproducing without makers' knowledge.
     
  8. milkbaby

    milkbaby

    582
    Aug 1, 2016
    Dan Comeau has posted a ton of patterns on his blog for people to use. It looks like he designed and drew them all out himself. Why not put in the work and draw out your own for each style?

    Agree with daizee that there is no incentive for me personally to share templates that I've created for my own knives.
     
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  9. Storm W

    Storm W

    280
    Feb 19, 2019
    Funny story about how trying to protect intellectual property can interfere with a product. I have a friend who wants a Murray Carter neck knife. I had his pattern book on a old account so I purchased a second copy on the kindle account that I share with my wife. Now after having bought 2 copies of his book of patterns I cannot print from either book do to the software protection. Lol. Pretty funny when the book is meant to be copied and printed from.
     
  10. Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

    Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith ilmarinen - MODERATOR Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 20, 2004
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  11. MotorCityMike

    MotorCityMike

    208
    Aug 2, 2009
    Posting
     
  12. scott.livesey

    scott.livesey

    Nov 10, 2011
    Knives have been around for a long time. I feel that anyone's design is a variation on what has come before, except maybe some of the zombie killers.
     
  13. daizee

    daizee KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Dec 30, 2009
    I don't disagree, but the reason disreputable manufactures knock off products from makers with a reputation, is that the reputation of the original maker sells the fake products for the knocker-offer (tm;)). One can argue that someone who will buy a fake wouldn't buy an original anyway, and I bet that's largely true. But it sure makes for bad feelings all around, nevermind trademark dilution issues.
     
  14. Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

    Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith ilmarinen - MODERATOR Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 20, 2004
    I agree with Daizee. I have seen many Ron Frazier fakes that were clearly Pakistani or Chinese. They sell for ten times their worth because of the fake name.

    Things that are public domain, like the sites of people who are not making knives anymore that I linked aren't the issue. Some current full time makers will not likely add their designs to a public list because they will likely be copied and sold with fake makers marks .
     
  15. scott.livesey

    scott.livesey

    Nov 10, 2011
    I guess because i concentrate on kitchen knives, I really see very little difference between brands. I have an Old Timer and a Flying Crane and the only difference is the handle material. If a maker wants to protect themselves, add a unique non-functional piece to the design. Electronics has been doing that forever, making an 88* bend instead of a 90*, so when the ChiComs copy it, they have grounds for lawsuit.
    I understand Stacy, but an 8" Chef's knife has to be almost the same as every other one or you could not sell it as a 8" Chef's.
    scott
     
  16. Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith

    Stacy E. Apelt - Bladesmith ilmarinen - MODERATOR Moderator Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    Aug 20, 2004
    That is what I am saying … a standard knife type will not be an issue. However, a popular design from a maker selling his knives isn't likely to be submitted because it is his livelihood. It would be unfair or even illegal to include it without his permission.
     
  17. Kevin McGovern

    Kevin McGovern

    Jul 31, 2015
    I made Dan comeau patterns for my first ten or so. Not that they really looked like it....
     
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  18. coldsteelburns

    coldsteelburns

    Aug 2, 2010

    wow, that kinda defeats half of the purpose of his 101 knife designs book. I'm not too familiar with kindles, but are you able to take a screenshot, save it, send it to your email, then save it and then load in into a photo editing program on your computer in order to get it sized properly and print it from there?

    I have had the hard copy of both of his books for a number of year, I've only traced over a santoku so far and then adjusted it along the spine and in length, I want mostly just after the edge (belly) profile. If I ever wanted to make an actual template from the patterns in his 101 knife designs book, I'd scan the page and print them out so I would have to cut out from the actual book.


    ~Paul
    My Youtube Channel
    ... (Just some older videos of some knives I've made in the past)
     
  19. Randydb

    Randydb Basic Member Basic Member

    738
    Sep 27, 2014
    My first batch of 9 knives I did were Dan Comeau patterns because I wanted to focus on learning to grind bevels.

    More recently I spent a bunch of time looking at about 100 bird and trout blades and then drew my own that had qualities of 3 different blades I liked. Then I posted it and went through the revisions suggested by people here. I think it was an amazing learning process and I have a blade that is my own but I recognize is inspired by and comes from others creations. So I appreciate the postings, pictures, and profiles I was able to look at on the web. To me there is so much stuff like this out there already it might not be worth the effort to add more...but do what you want.

    I also get the knock off issue. But I think these frauds are going to do it regardless of whether the original maker posts patterns or not. They are going to find pictures and spend some time creating the best knock off they can because there is $$$ to be made copying a pro. They won't be knocking off something I make any time soon!

    I just want to say how much I appreciate this place and the help I have received. So amazing that I can wind up with a very solid, complete knife and home built 2x72 grinder without ever having met any of the people helping me in person.
     
  20. Natlek

    Natlek

    Jun 9, 2015
    If I decide to make fake knives I don t need patterns . . . . I will buy one original knife and do the job in right way :D
     

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