Kydex for dummies...???

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Does anywone know wehre I can find a good set of instrucitons for making a kydex or concealex sheath? I am looking at making one to replace/ supplement my leather one for a custom knife I have and maybe make one for my SOG PowerLock. Any hints and help are much appreciated.
 
Funny, I just made my first Kydex sheath about one hour ago for a neck knife.

I used a piece of paper to get the general dimensions of the sheath I wanted to make. I made sure enough material was left over on the sides and top for a rivit, Chicago screw and a loop for paracord. If you want to fold the kydex over for a loop or belt hook, whatever, include this in the paper pattern.

I cut the kydex using generic office scissors and a straight razor after tracing the paper pattern on the kydex. The smooth side will be the internal surface.

After cutting the shape, I fired up a heat gun, put work gloves on and then placed the kydex on my metal bench. Let the kydex heat until it looks soft and starts to curl a little bit, making sure to heat the entire piece evenly by moving the stream of air from the heatgun.

If you are using an oven, use the search function on this forum for more specifics. I think the temp is around 200 degrees on the oven and you should use a cookie sheet with a piece of cloth underneath between the metal and the kydex. Heat till curl or looks soft.

Once it was hot, it gets soft and droopy. I pressed my knife in to make an impression and picked up the entire piece of kydex and folded it together and pinched the edges around the blade to get a more true mold. After it cooled down for maybe five minutes, I went back and specifically heated the area where I wanted to fold the kydex back onto it self to make a loop for the paracord. I used a drill bit that is a little larger than paracord in diameter to mold the kydex around it, then pinched it together to get a better mold.

During the process, it is very good to have an extra couple pair of fingers. I used small clamps to hold places that I had to let go of in order to work on molding another small area. In retrospect, a pair of vice grip pliers with tape on the jaws to prevent marring would have been a good idea too.

I heated the kydex with the knife in it a total of 5 or so different times. Each time, I would pinch a little more with the gloves to get a better mold and then advance the clamps up a little.

Finally, I prepared my 5" vice on my bench by using a thick piece of pvc foam. Thick cloth might do the trick too as long as the kydex isn't super hot. The main task is to get the vice to distribute it's force evenly on the kydex. Heck, a sponge from the sink might work. Maybe, you'd have to test how much heat it can take.

I heated the kydex for a final time to warm-but-not-melting and adjusted a small clamp to help hold the looped area snug while the rest of the sheath was secured in the vice. I waited, then came back about thirty minutes later and it was done.

The kydex did a surprisingly good job of keeping the knife secure without any rivits. I placed the rivit and chicago screw locations close to the blade, then cut excess material off. I used a drill to make the holes, then put the rivet and screw in. After that, I used a saw to cut the excess material away. The more material you remove, the looser the fit of the knife is going to be, so do make sure to have rivits or something to secure the fit of the knife. I like the chicago screws because you can adjust the tension.

The chicago screw ended up being too thick, so I made some makeshift washers using a sander and drill to act as spacers and increase the tension of the kydex against the screw to hold the knife in. The chicago screw went at the bottom, where the knife exits and I used a rivet to secure the top portion.

After cutting, I used a belt sander and files to take the corners off and give it a more aesthetically pleasing shape.

The main key to making the sheath is to improvise and plan each step ahead.

I received kydex sheath making instructions when I bought the kydex from texasknivesupply.com

I lost them and just decided to wing it.

Come to think of it, I thought the sheath making instructions are on their site but I cannot find them there either.

Good luck, it's pretty easy but remember to use excess material and heat slowly.
 
Plenty of useful info here. Cheers, this goes into my keep file. I figure if I can ever locate a local supplier of kydex I'll give it a shot.

Andrew Limsk
 
Krept, thanks a lot for the info. I'm not really clear on how you stop the kydex form sticking to the blade: does it just not stick to steel or do you ahve to keep it seperated? Also, Can I melt two pieces together (i.e. make a seam along the back of the blad where the piece folds over on itself)? Finally, where can I pick up a good way to attach it to a belt, like a good clip or metal loop?
 
When I heated the kydex, it never got super hot and sticky. In fact, I didn't even think it was going to mold very well, but it did.

In my (only) experience with the stuff, you don't really want to get it hot enough to where it molds to itself. I didn't even consider that because I know that from the sheaths I have seen, it holds steady with a gap in the seam.

I guess that if you realize that kydex is a material that is easily manipulated when hot, but has good memory when it cools down, the possibilities are virtually endless. When I made the piece that folds down on itself for a paracord loop, I didn't use anything to secure it back onto itself. In retrospect, I suppose I could have used another rivet or small screw. It works fine enough as is - there is a small gap between the back of the sheath and the part that folds over, but the overall fold retains enough memory so it is structurally sound, even without being secure to the sheath.

As a side note, I had a kydex sheath for a ccw pistol. It was ment for inside the waistband carry and was one continual piece of kydex. The belt loop was fashioned in essentially the same way I fashioned my paracord loop - by bending a piece of excess material over, kind of like a "p," but without the lower curve of the p connected to the stem, if you will. The memory of the stuff is great, but it can snap or crack if you force it too much.

Here is some stuff I found on a quick search:

Neck sheath This is funny - it's the same knife I just made a sheath for. This one appears to use sandwich construction (two pieces of kydex.) On the one that I made, the left side of the sheath is folded over, thus no rivets are needed. I used a rivet at the top of the right side and a chicago screw at the bottom of the sheath, almost exactly where this one is. The other thing I did different is instead of using rivets to pass the neck chain through, I bent over the extra length of kydex at the top over to the back of the sheath to form a loop so the paracord runs straight through instead of from the back to the front of the sheath.

Sheath with clip. Here is a pic of a sheath with a clip. I guess this one is metal and probably secured with screws. Many of the knife supply places should have clips like this. Personally, I'd just leave an extra length of kydex at the top and mold it over instead so it rides as low as possible - that's just personal preference.

Again, this stuff is awesome to work with and you are essentially limited by your imagination. Be warned that people in the past have said that the molding process can scratch the blades on your knife.

Good luck and I'm glad I could give a little back to this forum. Again, try a search and you might find some great tips.
 
ok well i have an allen blade sheathmaking video i might be able to let go, but basically he wraps the blade in tape, to reduce wear on it and scuff marks, creating a layer of space between the knife and the kydex. he grinds down some screws, heats up the kydex using a heat gun, being careful to keep it moving, and then sticks it in a vise with rubber on the inside, i can find out exactly what he uses if you'd like. after that he does the tip separately to make sure there's enough tension and then it's just finishing. i meant to get some kydex but i never got around to it. email me if you're particularly interested in the tape.

- pete
 
Pete- your description is good enough. Thanks a lot.

Guys, my buddy and I have decided to go ahead and try this out. First I need to order the materials, and once we get going we'll be in his basement for a few hours just trying to get thngs straight, I'm sure, but we are looking forward to a fun itme and (hopefully) some useful sheaths. I'll keep you posted.

Last ly, and ideas on how to make one for a PowerLock? I was thinking that I could do pretty much the sames process, but the gears on the handle seem like thay might get in the way.
 
Doesn anyone know where to buy sheets of Kydex? i've been wanting to try it but am unable to find a source that will ship to Canada.
 
I would think u could save on some shipping charges...just look in any major metro area phone book for plastics supplier...you'll most likely find 4x8' sheets..perhaps 2 most popular gauges...mostly available in black without special order. I live in Fl., not exactly a hotbed of plastic manufacturers or commercial users and I can find it within one days shipping distance...hth

btw.. shipping full sheet(s) for me was prohibitive cost so I had them cut it...forget the size...check with your preferred shipper for dimensions.
 
Will they know what "Kydex" is or is there a different, technical name that it goes by?

Man, that's a good idea calling those places. I wonder if they have G10 also. A local place that manufactures carbon fiber? Woo... gotta get on the phone.

I bought all my stuff from texasknife.com.
 
Gentlemen,

Mr. Jenkins did a great job on his instructional guide. Here's two more how-to's below, both a little different.

Now, for some simple instructions:I use very simple tools. When I first started I was told that I needed really complicated and expensive ones, but you don't.

What I use:

A Dremel Tool, with cutoff wheels, sanding drums, and a small spherical cutting bit.

A drill.

A heat gun.

A stove.

Whatever sheath coating you want to use (leather, rubber, etc.).

Chicago Screws and Mil-Spec Paracord.

(Plus safety glasses, thick cotton gloves, an apron, a well-ventilated workspace and a dust and fumes mask.)

First, preheat your oven to 300 degrees. Take a sheet of paper and fold it down the middle. Trace the knife onto the sheet on the center with half of the bolster on the paper, giving yourself a full inch around the knife as you outline it, so when you open the sheet, you have a mirror image on each side of the blade outline. Kydex shrinks as it heats up, and it never hurts to be careful.

Cut out the paper, then tape it to your Kydex. Use the cutoff wheel of your Dremel to cut out the shape of the
paper. Be sure to wear your mask, eye protection and gloves through the process!

Take this cut out piece, and put it in the oven on a flat cookie tray, rough side down. Let it heat up for 5 - 6 minutes. If you cook it too long it will shrink into a solid block. Before you take the heated Kydex out, get your "press" ready. You can use a couple of boards with molding foam epoxied on the inside, or a couple of phonebooks with towels in between them,whatever you can find.

Have your press set up, and your knife handy, and take the hot Kydex and wrap it around the knife like a taco, making sure that the spine is right down the center of the Kydex, and enough of the kydex is below the bolster to grip it.

Then press the Kydex around the knife using your press. After you've pressed it for a while, and allowed it to cool while pressed (takes several minutes). Take your knife wrapped in Kydex out, and test how tight it is. If it's too tight, use your heat gun to allow the Kydex to release a little. If it's too loose, find where it's too loose, and use your heat gun and well gloved hands to mold
it more tightly.

The really hard part is getting the tension right on the sheath's retention around the guard. You need to figure out how to mold the Kydex around the guard or bolster in such a way that it allows the knife to snap in and out of the sheath, and still allow enough tension not to let the knife ever fall out.

If you're using really thick Kydex (.125 or .093), you may find the small spherical cutting bit necessary on the Dremel to create the proper tension. USe the sphere bit to cut away excess from the mouth of the sheath until you get the exact tension you want. Be careful. You can take kydex off, but you can't put it back.

Now, cut off the excess Kydex (if your kydex was hot enough you've got a sealed seamless edge on your sheath). Drill holes wherever you want to put your tensioning and fastening Chicago Screws (or rivets, or whatever else you want to use).

Sometimes, the screws will be what it takes to make your tension exactly right. Now, sand the edges of the sheath as
necessary with the sanding drum to smooth them out.

Next step is to laminate your sheath with leather or coat it with whatever substance you'd like (make sure it will bond with plastic). If you're gluing anything to kydex I recommend E900 craft epoxy (you can find it in craft stores or even in Wal-Mart's craft section). It bonds very well and stays flexible even after it dries. Be sure to score up the exterior of the kydex sheath first. Use a wire wheel. (Friendly warning, don't have sandpaper anywhere around your sheathmaking table. Even the smallest bit of grit can get loose of the paper and will magically be attracted to the inside of your sheath.)

Now, Bob Engnath has a little different way of making kydex. His instructions are taken from : http://www.engnath.com/public/manframe.htm

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KYDEX FOR SHEATHS
Kydex is a thermo forming type of plastic that was developed as a tough wall covering for institutional use, but it just happens to make a very nice knife sheath.

Bob Terzola started using this for sheaths while he was living in Central America. He says that it's about the only thing that won't rot in the jungle, and there aren't any critters that are particularly fond of eating it. You won't find some porcupine munching on it when you leave the sheath out overnight in your camp.

Kydex has to be heated to around 400 degrees F. to make use of its' hot molding properties. You should use a toaster oven to warm it, and gardening gloves to handle it while it's hot, unless you like having scorched fingertips.

You may form it directly to the knife, or use a mold made of wood. The wood mold method has already been published, so I'll concentrate on the other style.

Hunting knives need Kydex about .060 thick. If you're making a sheath for a much larger knife, try using .090 thick for extra strength and stiffness. You may mix thickness of material within a sheath to get a stiff back and flexible front if you like. Gun holsters use the .090 thickness. We stock only black Kydex in .060 and .090, but will order other sizes or thicknesses if the quantity is enough.

You have to assemble a bunch of gear. A heat gun is essential. You need two slabs of plywood, 3/4 inch or thicker, with half inch thick foam pads on one side. Terzola suggested "outsole neoprene sponge crepe", available at shoemakers' a supply in 18 by 36 inch slabs. Make the plywood about two inches longer than you'll need for the largest sheath that you plan to make. The foam recommended is tough and should last for fifty or a hundred heavy pressings. Spray both foam and sheath with WD 40 occasionally to keep things from sticking. Ordinary mattress or pillow type stuff will not work. Use brass shim stock for making heat shields. (I'll explain them later.)

The blade portion of the knife should have a single layer of masking tape covering it when you start. Also, if not already understood, a blade with any sort of notches, choil cuts, or widening belly towards the tip, will not work with the mold-onto-the-blade method. Kydex will also mold into sandblasted texture or even an etched logo if you're not careful.

Put the toaster oven right behind the vise and get the Kydex hot. The Kydex should have been roughly cut to the shape you'll need for the sheath. Most sheath makers use cardboard patterns, so cut around the pattern with a generous margin. You literally have to rivet any extra parts to a Kydex sheath, using eyelets, so plan ahead. Kydex may be cut on the bandsaw, using a narrow, fine tooth blade turned backwards. A tin snips works well if you haven't got a bandsaw.

You can't just score Kydex like leather. You actually have to take a Vee cut of material right out of Kydex to make it work right. Use a matt knife with a blade designed to cut laminate. Kydex may be folded into many shapes, but will not twist very well.

Kydex works best when heated by convection (air), rather than radiant or infrared heat. Convection heating will allow the whole thickness of the material to warm at the same time, which is what you want. Cover the Kydex with aluminum foil to get the right heating. Higher heat gives more flexibility.

Have the padded boards ready in the vise, with it open far enough so you can slip in the plastic and knife. As soon as the Kydex is hot, grab it, slap the knife into position, slip the package into the opening between the padded boards and clamp down with the vise. You have to do this all in about two seconds, before the plastic cools. Don't be afraid to really clamp down with the vise. You can't hurt it. Cooling time is around 20 seconds.

Now you have a partially formed sheath, a U shaped trough of plastic. Remove the knife. Put small spring clamps on the edges to hold things in place. Re-heat the Kydex and repeat the whole procedure for the final fit to the blade. You shove the blade back into the sheath as you move the plastic from the oven to the press setup. Pull off the spring clamps as the press boards are clamped together.

Kydex has a memory. When you put it back in the oven to heat it to form the belt loop, it will try to go flat, and the kids will hear some of those words again. The second pressing will get the plastic to such a tight fit that you can see the texture of the tape on the blade through the plastic. Any more forming has to be done with a heat gun.

Trim the sheath parts. You can use a knife or a grinder. Figure out what parts you'll want to get hot, and which areas should stay cold. Make a shim stock shield to protect the parts you want to stay cool. Heat the necessary area with your heat gun and form the belt loop. A wooden form is really handy to make crisp bends because the wood won't cool the Kydex too quickly.

Terzola uses a dimple in the side of the guard to lock the knife in the sheath. He cuts a precise dimple with a half round ended milling tool, on the outer side of the guard. As the sheath is molded, the dimple partially forms into the Kydex. He finishes the forming with a heated, round ended tool. Once the dimple is matched with a molded in mate in the side of the sheath, the knife is in there until you actually pull the Kydex away from the guard 'socket'.

Ed Halligan makes a neat little knife that is hung around the neck, upside down, in a Kydex sheath. His pattern is very plain, so there are no undercuts or dimples to help hold it in the sheath. He makes it work by fastening the grip on with oval head screws. The sheath goes down over the front pair, and the rounded heads mold into the kydex well enough to hold the knife securely. He also uses kydex for the grip, simply two slabs of 1/8th inch stock screwed on. Makes a neat and inexpensive knife.

Fasten the welt area together with grommets. This plastic doesn't glue very well, but A B S pipe bonder works to some degree. but can't stand much flexing Now we have a report from Ed Halligan that the solvent T H F (tetrahydrofuran) will weld kydex very well. Our test indicates that you need to saturate the joint thoroughly and clamp it lightly for at least a couple hours. T H F is not one of the "user friendly" solvents. "Black Max" from Locktite, is also reported to work on kydex.

If you plan a slant belt loop, or fancy release system, try making a few mock-ups in cardboard before trying it in plastic. Pay particular attention to how things will have to be done after the second pressing has the blade portion completely formed and you get into the tricky bends.

Medium thickness Kydex, .060, will form its' own belt clips that hold as well as the metal ones if you form them right. The heavier stock, .090, will darn near need a pliers to get the loop off your belt. Form the belt loop so about an inch of plastic goes up under the belt and there is no need to rivet the end of the plastic down. A belt loop should be about an inch and a half wide to hold well. You can use the .090 thickness Kydex if you want a loop that'll hold a small vehicle.

Finishing the edge of the sheath may be done with a fine belt or a small "Scotch Brite" wheel. Don't forget to tape the mouth of the sheath closed when working on it with power tools. You don't want any grit in there because it would scratch the blade.

Kydex is not particularly kind to a blades finish, and you are sure to get some scratches eventually, from stuff that just falls into the sheath. Don't use Kydex with art knives, or those that are mirror finished.

Kydex is a fascinating material and needs to be explored much more before knife makers find all of the uses and variations possible.

Copyright ©1997 By Blades 'N' Stuff - ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

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Enjoy!

Matt
 
Ok, found a source for kydex, now what tools do you need to make a sheath? Here is a list so far of anyhting i can think of.

- Heatgun
- Tin snips
- Drill
- Some kinda clamp


Anyhting i missed? And where is a good place to get those cool screws and stuff?
 
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