Lansky sharpening newbie (Henckels kitchen knives); doesn't seem very sharp?

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I have several Henckels kitchen knives I am trying to sharpen using a Lansky system. I mean, it makes it pretty idiot-proof but maybe I am able to out-idiot it because I certainly don't seem to get anything even CLOSE to easily cutting hair or even paper. Was trying to lay a 20 degree edge, followed instructions plus a YouTube video (moving the burr back and forth and having it get smaller), though course, medium, fine, and leather, and yes it cuts, but I guess I just expected something more sharp? Would I need an extra-fine stone to get that?

Any info appreciated.
 
hehe (sorry for giggling)
my main kitchen knife is Zwilling too. overrated **** if you ask me and i am geman so cant take offense. the steel is soft and ductile, like a cheap steel. easy to grind and create a burr with, but tbh like VG10 not too easy to deburr 100.0%. lansky you say? no doubt you managed to raise and flip a burr wire. please check with your thumb if you can feel burr on any side.
it is your only reason why the knife doesn't perform like a sharp knife should.

and macro-deburring on a guided system can still be a challenge, also for me. and once the macro burr has broken off (fatigue), the apex looks all jagged (zig-zaggy, toothy). then one needs to continue to take off more material (with 3000grit or higher) to smooth out the apex line, etc.

a 2D-loupe (100-200x magnification) can make some macroburr visible but not microburr because of the angle combo (viewing angle vs lighting angle)

which model no. is your knife? just curious.

i don't sharpen Zwilling on guided system anymore. after all these years of sharpening Zwilling with different methods my goto method has become: 204-freehanding with 204M (to raise and control the burr size), then microdeburring on a ruby stone, and afterwards maybe a very short cleanup with/by a wood strop. Short effective session, with crazy sharp results (depending on your deburring skill level). Given how fast the apex flattens after chopping on a hard plastic cutting board, the sharpening session should be kept economic, not wasting extra efforts. In kitchen, it's okay to try to maintain the apex with a SiC leather strop, i just doht do it anymore.

btw no, no finer stone needed. lansky leather? i do recommend the PTS method instead (have you googled it?:D) on a guided system. it's faster cutting and indeed idiot-proof. start with the white compound.

@Mr.Wizard linked to a freebook The Knife Deburring Book or so. it says that pro's spend 40% of session time on deburring efforts. so grinding on a lansky is the easiest part, as you admitted.
 
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If you are sure you got a burr, full length, on both sides (one side and then the other), then you probably need to deburr more fully. If you didn't get a FULL length burr, on one side, and then the other, you should go back and do that.

The Lansky has both 20 and 25 degree slots right? Try deburring at 25 degrees. Do a few strokes on each side, with light pressure. Much lighter than you were sharpening at. Do something like 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 (2 per side, then 1 per side repeated). With luck that will remove the burr fully and leave you with an impressive edge.

Good luck.

Brian.
 
hehe (sorry for giggling)
my main kitchen knife is Zwilling too. overrated **** if you ask me and i am geman so cant take offense. the steel is soft and ductile, like a cheap steel. easy to grind and create a burr with, but tbh like VG10 not too easy to deburr 100.0%. lansky you say? no doubt you managed to raise and flip a burr wire. please check with your thumb if you can feel burr on any side.
it is your only reason why the knife doesn't perform like a sharp knife should....

... so grinding on a lansky is the easiest part, as you admitted.

Thanks so much for the response and the information. I actually feel better that what I am getting from my knives and the Lansky is about on par with what one would expect from that combination alone.

The knives I have are 25 year old Henckels Four Star Chef's Knives, an 8 inch and a 6 inch. I also have a more recent (15 years old) Four Star Santoku knife. The one I was working the most as a test was the 6 inch one, and it seems that maybe I am doing an okay job with what I have, and if I want to go farther, I will read up on what you suggested.

Thanks again!
 
If you are sure you got a burr, full length, on both sides (one side and then the other), then you probably need to deburr more fully. If you didn't get a FULL length burr, on one side, and then the other, you should go back and do that.

The Lansky has both 20 and 25 degree slots right? Try deburring at 25 degrees. Do a few strokes on each side, with light pressure. Much lighter than you were sharpening at. Do something like 2, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 (2 per side, then 1 per side repeated). With luck that will remove the burr fully and leave you with an impressive edge.

Good luck.

Brian.

Ah! I will try this. Great idea. Thanks!
 
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