Learn to spot em! - Post 2004 Schrade Replica Knives

Bloody hell...there is so much too learn... after reading this thread my head hurts....

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Can anyone elaborate on what exactly this means? Says blades are from original factory, but handles added after. Were some number of blanks remaining after the factory shut down? Not worried about resale value persay, just want a quality user.

As far as Bladeforums rules go we are not supposed to discuss current auctions (opens the door to spamming) but yeah, there were like a million left over blanks in various stages of completion when Schrade closed which are now being finished overseas. Quality control is not guaranteed really because we don't know if these blades had full/correct heat treatment etc.

They are likely ok user knives but for half that price you can get a barely-used genuine Ellenville factory-finished 167UH that passed Schrade quality control. I wouldn't take the chance myself but then again, I think the delrin fake-stag is the perfect, tough and attractive handle solution for a hard-working (often wet) fillet knife.
 
Thanks for the reply. I didn't consider the lack of qc aspect. I suppose I'll keep an eye out for a slightly used one.
 
I use the Safe-T-Grip TPR (rubber) handled series fillet and other patterns in the kitchen. They are plenty grippy and the steel is the same. You can find them new or used for a lesser price than the Delrin patterns. Just watch out for the "new production copies" being made in China. I haven't a clue as to their quality.
 
Yeah. I'm looking into the rubberized handle ones too. It seems easier to tell a legitimate US one in those types. Don't seem to see the pseudo genuine types.

I didn't realize there were so many variables I had to consider, just figured there would be US pre 2004 and made in China versions!
 
Even when Schrade started to have their knives made in China, they were clearly stamped “Schrade – China”.
I would (Think before buying) anything made in or stamped “USA” as USA is not “U.S.A”
There is a place in China named USA - Very mis-leading. I have seen Ball type bearings made in USA.

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I have never seen a Schrade stamped "China" before your image. I'm still of the mind set that the real Schrade is no longer after 2004. :grumpy:
-Bruce
 
Hi Bruse,
Schrade was starting to look at China to make some of their less expencive knives.
The Badgers, Schrade hade made were very well made knives. After Schrade close down, Taylor Brand had their Badgers made in China also.
However, the Schrade Badgers were a better knife. Schrade was also geting Badgers (with the black blades) made in their factory in Ireland before 2004.
I started to collect the late 2000-2004 Schrade Items as soon as they closed down. Those items have been very hard to find.
My Schrade collection is from 1959 to 2004. The les expencive knives (some selling for a little as $1 have been very hard to find) Ken
 
I have never seen a Schrade stamped "China" before your image. I'm still of the mind set that the real Schrade is no longer after 2004. :grumpy:
-Bruce

The Imperial Apex was another low-end knife made in China before Schrade went out of business. Knife says CHINA, paperwork lists Ellenville, NY as the company address. Previously, many/most of the Imperial knives were made in Ireland. FYI, the Chinese Apex is better quality than the Irish one.
 
The Imperial Apex was another low-end knife made in China before Schrade went out of business. Knife says CHINA, paperwork lists Ellenville, NY as the company address. Previously, many/most of the Imperial knives were made in Ireland. FYI, the Chinese Apex is better quality than the Irish one.

Hi Bob,
This is some of Schrade's last low-end knives, sold before they closed down.
U.S.A. China and Ireland made knives.
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Thanks for that Ken.
All the SQ knives (SQ447 etc) made by Schrade are stamped U.S.A. Taylor also made some SQ copys, and their rubbish.
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So, in theory this knife you have posted could have been made in USA China? :eek:
-Bruce
 
Thanks for that Ken.

So, in theory this knife you have posted could have been made in USA China? :eek:
-Bruce

I have changed my wording to "Think before buying". The Schrades above came in a Schrade Box with paperwork etc.
When sellers try to hide things and do not have a box. LOOK before you buy and ask questions, Here on Blade Forums...

Codger may be able to answer a question for me.
Did Schrade make all the parts used to make the Q3 (Q3 Technology) knives....Ken


Mose of the above Schrade Knives were copied by Taylor Brande.
These two knives were top low-end knives.
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just making sure i am thinking right. in looking at this knife even though it says Schrade Walden it is in fact a Taylor made thing? Schrade never used that kind of shield correct?
 

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Sorry Ken, but I don't know the answer to your question. It would not be surprising to learn that Imperial Schrade bought minor components from vendors and assembled them in their plant in Ellenville. I do know that in the "latter days", boxes and brochures were being printed in China. Also understand that some few years (can't remember exactly when) the "new" owner of Schrade, after the passing of the Baer brothers, brought in a "turnaround specialist" who evidently did not know anything about knives and their manufacture. He is credited with driving the bus over the cliff. The same "specialist" was also sent to Camillus and they sent him packing before it came crashing down there as well. During that final timeframe at ISC, the management, who knew knives and the knife industry, was essentially hamstrung in making major decisions, first by the "specialist" and then by the court appointed receivers.

Like the question about the origin of the engraved white handled knife in another thread recently, the best resource for the answer to this question would be to impose on Eric to ask the other people who were actually there. I never worked at ISC and in fact have never even been to Ellenville or Walden N.Y. My information comes only from research, archives and speaking to former employees.

Michael
 
just making sure i am thinking right. in looking at this knife even though it says Schrade Walden it is in fact a Taylor made thing? Schrade never used that kind of shield correct?

It was made by someone (GEC? Utica?) under license from Taylor. SMKW may have been the licensee.
 
just making sure i am thinking right. in looking at this knife even though it says Schrade Walden it is in fact a Taylor made thing? Schrade never used that kind of shield correct?

That particular knife was made by Bear and sons. There were two or three patterns in the series, these came out shortly after the 2004 closing contracted by Taylor Brands. The giveaway to a Bear made knife is the one pin on the spring only.

Russell
 
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