Leatherman Core Review - don't walk away, RUN!!

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At one time, I was a huge fan of Leatherman as their multi-tool invention blew the conventional SAK away. Unfortunately, I think Tim and his tree-hugging buddies have most recently forgotten that form follows function, and they need to wake up and smell the java. It pains me to say that the Leatherman Core I have just recently purchased is absolute crap:

1. Cheapo and THICK plastic inserts in the handle are a cheap way to bolster the physical integrity of the handles. Because the edges are rounded, the sides of the handles needed some sort of buffer so tool blade movement won’t be hindered; however, the thick plastic adds unnecessary bulk to the tool, making the Core thick as hell compared to other tools even though no new, additional tool blades are introduced.

2. The craplastic inserts are directly connected to the plier head and act as the area of friction at both pivots. I will bet you money that the plastic will wear down a lot faster than if steel was used straight-up at the pivots. In one or two years, you’ll have yourself a nice pair of $50 Bruce Lee nunchucks.

3. The worst part is that you KNOW Leatherman didn’t have to use plastic. They could’ve thickened the steel, at little to no cost in weight. Look at the Super Tool 200, it contains the same tool blades as the Core but has no plastic and still maintains perfect structural integrity and isn’t heavier! The usage of plastic in the Core is the absolute worst part of the tool – you might as well buy that cheap Chinese stuff from Home Depot. I can’t emphasize the craplastic problem enough.

4. The tools still clump even though Leatherman says they fixed the problem.

5. The button lock’s spring is a one-inch long slice of steel that was cut away from the handle. Cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap.

6. Design flaws: if you remove the medium screwdriver and close the handles, the plier head will get stuck in the gap where the medium screwdriver was between two other screwdrivers, leaving you to endlessly pull and tug at the plier head when re-opening the tool to reveal a plier head full of sparkly scratches.

7. Even after the pliers have been redesigned, a slight squeeze of the handles will still show bending near the tips of the pliers. Weak stuff.

8. The Core reaks of substandard construction. The steel grinding is poorly done, likely because Leathermans are now essentially made in China (the difference being that the crappy parts are put together in the USA to eventually become a crappy product anyway). If you look closely at the steal, you see plenty of grind marks, and the finish is rough as heck. Tools with better construction (ie. Swiss Tool) have a smoother finish, a hallmark of excellent engineering and steel refinement. Note that I am not referring to the polished handles of the Swiss Tool; if you take a close look and rub at the plier heads of both the Core and Swiss Tool, you’ll know what I mean.

9. Construction, aside from the steel grinding quality, is hastily done. The Phillips screwdriver must’ve been casted in a mold, but never refined through a grinding or smoothing machine because the sides of the screwdriver have the kinds of circles and lines that you see on plastic products. The look of the screwdriver is reminiscent of a piece from a 1990’s K’Nex toy set.

10. Another sign that Leatherman is cheapening: The parts they use are clearly coming out of a “common parts bin” because the plier head’s pivots have the same little ridges that are used to activate the Surge’s outside blade lock, even though the Core has no such outside blades. Guess what? Leatherman isn’t even designing their products uniquely from each other anymore- they’re just different parts connected in different combinations to fool the common idiot that goes for Leatherman because of the brand. I liked K'Nex, but 16 K'Nex pieces didn't cost $50.

The Core is the absolute cheapest POS I have ever seen come out of Leatherman. If the Swiss Tool is a Mercedes or Lexus, the Core is a Hyundai. Cores are unworthy of being Super Tool successors; they deserve to be melted down into liquid and donated to Victorinox so they can make more Swiss Tools. The Core isn’t worth 10% of what is charged for it, and if you see it at a store, RUN.

I’d like to give two cents on the Surge/Wave as well: Everybody loves the one-handed opening knife blades, but they are actually terrible in design. First, the hole in the blades weakens the knife because the force that would be applied to the knife would be unevenly distributed. It can easily break at the point where the hole is. Second, the hole itself isn’t well polished, is cast at a ninety-degree angle, making it easy for you to cut your fingers when trying to use it. Third, adding two things to pivot on the plier pivots makes everything uneven, which is why you see that the Surge/Wave come with loose handles and some knives operate smoother than others. Adding insult to injury, the Leatherman has to correct their terrible steel polishing quality by adding washers to smooth the movements of the blades, meaning that there’s even more potential for uneven surfaces in the pivot, exacerbating all the problems mentioned in the previous sentence.
 
So overall, would it be safe to say that you don't like the Core? :)

I liked the Original Supertool, but everything Leatherman since has left me unimpressed. I'm now a Swisstool / Spirit convert.
 
I am all for the Supertool 200; old and outdated as it is, it's a very strong multitool no doubt about that. Handled the CORE, and was struck but it's use of plastic parts. A tactical "no, no"; if you're into heavy duty chores. I am going to have to agree with your review somewhat, but only in the hope that Leatherman the company would come to realizes just how much of a mistake this would be on any multitool worth its salt, or should I say weight! Stick it to the man, dude!
 
I'd say give the core a chance. I agree with you that the plastic wasn't a good idea, but so far it hasn't been a problem in my core. However, if it does wear down over time I would agree that it's a major flaw, but I'd rather use it and see if it happens than just look at it and auto mattically call it junk. I thought build quality was fine, heck it was put together better than my swisstool. The phillips does look a little funny with those grind marks, but then multitool are meant for work not to look pretty. The problem with jamming the pliers in the medium screwdriver's spot is an overrated problem. So long as you acces the screwdriver properly this won't happen. The fact that lock spring is part of the handles? Only timewill tell if that's a good move or not. I don't see what the big deal about using the same pliers head as the surge. Looks like a good way to simplify production and keep the price down.
Also regarding the wave. Have you ever seen one of those blades break? I doubt unless your really abusing it, the blade wouldn't break. I would say use the core for a while and find out if it really is that bad a tool.
 
My original Leatherman is still going strong..not the best around but, it hasn't broke on me yet!
 
Not all the new leathermans are crap, the wave and crunch are great, and i love my squirt p4.
 
A lot of the "improvements" on the Core have kept me from upgrading my ST200. I for one don't like the plastic inserts on a heavy use tool. The ST200 was fine without them, and I think the Core would be as well. I DO like the plastic on the Fuse. Mainly because my PST would bite my hands if i squeezed too hard. The plastic does make the tool more comfortable. However, I have had no loosening of the plier junction due to worn plastic. That's actually a bummer to me. Flipping open my ST200 is how I access it. I like my tools all loosey goosey;)

One thing that Leatherman has to, I mean HAS TO, fix is the damn plier head sticking in between the tools:mad: I bought a new Wave. Very nice tool except the jaws kept getting stuck in between the other tools when i tried to close the tool. I thought it was an isolated thing as I have had multiple tools from Leatherman over the years with NO probs. So I gave it to my buddy who didn't care if it was sticking or not. I bought a Surge:) Same problem with my Surge:grumpy: I know i could probably send it in and get it taken care of, but the point is that if i spend 70 dollars on a multi-tool that is their "top of the line Heavy Duty tool" it really should be defect free when I get it home. Two bum tools out of two IS bad.

That said, my Fuse has been great. I don't think it has the polish of my old PST, but I bought it on clearance and it has served me well for a couple of years. Also, I can't say enough nice things about the Crunch. That little beauty never leaves my side. Not a fast tool, and not as practical as needlenose tools for most apps, but for what I do it's the bee's knees:D

Jake
 
It pains me to say that the Leatherman Core I have just recently purchased is absolute crap:
Have you been using it for very long?
How has it failed to perform?

Cheapo and THICK plastic inserts in the handle are a cheap way to bolster the physical integrity of the handles.
Cheap? Yes.
But is it effective?

The craplastic inserts are directly connected to the plier head and act as the area of friction at both pivots. I will bet you money that the plastic will wear down a lot faster than if steel was used straight-up at the pivots. In one or two years, you’ll have yourself a nice pair of $50 Bruce Lee nunchucks.
Maybe, and maybe not.
I've seen Glocks take alot of abuse and still perform 100%.
Sometimes plastic is better than steel.

The usage of plastic in the Core is the absolute worst part of the tool – you might as well buy that cheap Chinese stuff from Home Depot. I can’t emphasize the craplastic problem enough.
As I said before, sometimes plastic is better than steel.

The button lock’s spring is a one-inch long slice of steel that was cut away from the handle. Cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap.
But does it work?
The safety/firing-selector on my AKS-47 is cheap too, but it works just fine.

If you look closely at the steal, you see plenty of grind marks, and the finish is rough as heck. Tools with better construction (ie. Swiss Tool) have a smoother finish, a hallmark of excellent engineering and steel refinement.
But how do the tools actually perform?

Even after the pliers have been redesigned, a slight squeeze of the handles will still show bending near the tips of the pliers. Weak stuff.
You're serious that a SLIGHT squeeze of the handles will actually BEND the tips of the pliers?

The Phillips screwdriver must’ve been casted in a mold, but never refined through a grinding or smoothing machine because the sides of the screwdriver have the kinds of circles and lines that you see on plastic products. The look of the screwdriver is reminiscent of a piece from a 1990’s K’Nex toy set.
But how does the phillips screwdriver perform?
Do the circles and lines affect its performance as a screwdriver?

Another sign that Leatherman is cheapening: The parts they use are clearly coming out of a “common parts bin” because the plier head’s pivots have the same little ridges that are used to activate the Surge’s outside blade lock, even though the Core has no such outside blades.
And do these ridges negatively affect the plier's performance?

Guess what? Leatherman isn’t even designing their products uniquely from each other anymore- they’re just different parts connected in different combinations to fool the common idiot that goes for Leatherman because of the brand.
Are you suggesting that those who buy Leatherman tools (folks like yourself since you stated that you just recently bought this tool) are idiots?

And who cares if Leatherman uses the same parts, in different combinations, for different tools?
Victorinox has been using the same common tools, just in different configurations, on their Swiss Army Knives for over 100 years.

Everybody loves the one-handed opening knife blades, but they are actually terrible in design. First, the hole in the blades weakens the knife because the force that would be applied to the knife would be unevenly distributed. It can easily break at the point where the hole is.
The same thing has been said of Spyderco knives but I've yet to see any real world evidence to support this notion.

Second, the hole itself isn’t well polished, is cast at a ninety-degree angle, making it easy for you to cut your fingers when trying to use it.
I've used the Wave for years and I've never cut myself due to the opening-holes.
And I don't know of anyone who has.
Again, there does not seem to be any real world evidence to back up this notion.

Third, adding two things to pivot on the plier pivots makes everything uneven, which is why you see that the Surge/Wave come with loose handles and some knives operate smoother than others. Adding insult to injury, the Leatherman has to correct their terrible steel polishing quality by adding washers to smooth the movements of the blades, meaning that there’s even more potential for uneven surfaces in the pivot, exacerbating all the problems mentioned in the previous sentence.
I've never had any problem with the pivots on my Wave.
Maybe it's just you?

Why did you buy the Leatherman in the first place?:confused:
Did you actually see and handle one before you purchased?:confused:
 
I too dislike the use of plastic inserts by Leatherman, and I have found that to be a turnoff. I have 1 Leatherman PST that dates to 06/ 1997. It's been used for years. All stainless steel is the way to go, or at least the way I prefer to go.
 
The Core has been on the job with me about a year now and my complaints are few and insignificant;)
 
I find the plastic inserts quite functional. The Core is already a pretty bulky tool, had the beefed up the steel to the same thickness, it would have added significant weight and the tool would have been just as fat. Will they be durable in the long run? You have 25 years to find out without cost.

The button lock spring is absolutely functional. I tend to think it's preferable to a separate part.

Regarding the Wave blade being weakened because of the hole... It's starting to sound like you're a troll.
 
1. The thick plastic that you speak of is the width of the steel roll. The steel roll is there to prevent you from hurting your hand when applying pressure to the handles. The plastic is the exact width of the steel roll. Seems real unnecessary to me:rolleyes:

2. The "craplastic" inserts provide less friction than steel on steel contact, resulting in less abrasion, so i dont think that your assumption pawned off as fact holds up here. By your logic, they should remove the plastic or nylon washers from knives, because they add unnecessary bulk and weight, and the steel on steel contact would wear far slower.

3. As far as i know, steel is heavier than plastic :rolleyes:. and i'm pretty sure that the core's extra weight comes from the increased size of the implements, pliers, handles, and tool itself. the plastic is pretty light. I still dont see a problem with the small amount of plastic used to save on weight and add on structural integrity, a win win in my book. As far as i can tell, you are complaining about something that hasn't actually caused you any trouble, except that you dont like the way it looks. You go ahead and buy a cheap chinease knockoff, and see if it is even remotely comparable.

4. no they don't, its that simple. I simply grasp the tool i want, and it quite easily rotates into position with no problem. occasionally with two of my screwdrivers, one will come out a very small part of the way, far less than 90 degrees, and is easily either pushed back, or simply folds back in once the handles are closed, and they are forced in by the pliers. I'd hardly call that the same clumping that occured with previous models

5. yes, you are completely right here. They should have welded on an extra piece rather than utilize steel that was already there :rolleyes:. This is a very smart solution, and more costly than throwing on an extra piece in assembly. It is however, far stronger than anything extra could be. Ever wonder why Chris Reeve crafts all of his fixed blades out of a solid bar of steel?

6. This doesnt happen on mine, and i cant make it, no matter how hard i try. this has never happened, on any of my tools, on any of the ones i have owned. I can occasionally force the plier head into the gap, however once i shut the handles to use the screwdriver, the pliers close and thus elongate, forcing themselves out of the space. I have seen a lot of these complaints pop up, but only after the first occasion was posted. Regardless, im pretty sure you aren't left to "endlessly pull and tug at the plier head".

7. No. take a look at your pliers, take a look at how rediculously strong they are. squeezing results in a flex of the handles, but if you are flexing the points of the pliers together, you can also squeeze coal into dimonds. even if they were flexing, take a look at the massive amount of leverage you have due to the length of the handles to the pivot. If, somehow, those pliers tips are flexing, then that would mean that the steel was left with some spring to it rather than being hardened to a point where it was too brittle. you could harden them until they dont flex, but i hope you like shattering plier jaws in extreme conditions.

8. somewhere in your entirely biased tirade here, i think i pulled out some debatable issues. The leathermans are not essentially made in china. In fact, they exceed the requirements set by the USA to be labeled "made in the USA". Simply, the rules in the state they are in are even more stringent than the national rules. You are getting more american product in a leatherman than you are in some other "made in USA" things. Try doing some research before you post blatently false information. Secondly, you seem to refer to the finish aspect. This seems to be the crutch that all swisstool fanatics fall on when pressed for details. As far as i can tell, it doesnt mean anything. The core has a superb finish. It is shiny with no discernable grind marks anywhere on the tool. All of the screwdrivers are well finished, with square ends, and the blades are sharp with no visable grind marks. what would designate a higher level of finish?

9. more than likely the phillips head was cast in a mold. Or did you think that they hand ground it from a block of steel just for you? Of course it wasnt sent through a smoothing machine, note the fact that the screwdriver tip isnt smooth. Thats why it grasps screws so well. Id suggest you actually try it rather than complain that it wasn't pretty enough out of the box for you. Also, having grind marks would not make it of inferior quality, just of inferior appearance. so your k'nex set reference is entirely wrong.

10. you are right, the leatherman tools are different parts connected in different combinations. Thats what makes them different... The core and surge have the same plier head, but that hardly affects the quality of the core. If this is so unacceptable, how would you prefer the core plier head to look? As far as i can tell, it is more than adaquate for the job. The tools on the core are unique to the core. it has larger blades than the other tools, hollow ground screwdrivers, and a differently shaped serrated blade than on previous evolutions of supertool etc. So i can't really see how they would make it any more different for you... Additionally, look at the number of leatherman tools available in comparison to the number of swisstools available, with one blade changed out for a serrated blade, or a rescue blade.
I dont think its fair to call leatherman uninspired:rolleyes:

the bottom line is that unchallanged rants are going to cause people to look away from leatherman and towards the other brands, namely the swisstool. I'm sure the swisstool is great, but there is nothing, and i mean nothing, wrong with the leatherman core. I really dont think you can do any better in a hard use, serious product hit the fan, tool. Mine has been in my pocket since the day i got it, and has been preforming admirably. I don't plan on putting it in a drawer any time soon, even if the phillips head isn't shiny enough for some ;)
 
Oh, this is so entertaining!

Not three days ago I became posessor of a Leatherman Core, of which until then had no interest whatever. I had been seduced by an irresistable clearance sale price. My current multitool EDC is a Super Tool 200, and it serves me well enough that I wasn't shopping for better (actually, I have accumulated several other multitools, but that is another topic). I was, however, aware of the Core, and now had an opportunity to see how it stacked up.

My first impressions of it were favorable. The tools look better than those on my earlier models, even though I had a good opinion of those, and the whole thing looks and feels like business. In the brief time I've had the Core, there has actually been an occasion to use it on a job for several hours, but only requiring the pliers, wire cutter and a knife blade. What can I say? Everything worked fine. I'll report again in five years.

At the same time, I turn it over and over in my hand and wonder: is this Leatherman just a bit, shall we say, economized on? Honestly, I don't know.

And just as I ponder these deep questions, here appears a thread on this very subject, and every good post I read convinces me to it's author's viewpoint.

I LOVE Bladeforums! :) :) :)
 
Have you been using it for very long?

Not as long as you clearly want a Leatherman Core-denouncer to have used one. As I don't need to use a 2007 Hyundai Accent 10 years to find out it is of inferior quality, I don't need to open and close a Leatherman Core "X" amount of times to prove that plastic wears down faster than steel.

How has it failed to perform?

It hasn't, but its ability to perform isn't the issue. You're comparing apples and oranges.

Cheap? Yes.
But is it effective?

You keep oversimplifying the discussion of the Core by pointing to its “effectiveness” and “performance.” I point to issues in its design that will shorten the period of its usability (ie. plastic) and that due of the economization of the Core design, the Core is not worth the price that Leatherman wants you to pay. Effectiveness is not the always best or only way to evaluate a product; for instance, a Timex and Rolex both do a good job of telling time.

Maybe, and maybe not.
I've seen Glocks take alot of abuse and still perform 100%.
Sometimes plastic is better than steel.
As I said before, sometimes plastic is better than steel.

Yes, sometimes plastic is better than steel, but it depends on the application. Your example of a Glock pistol is completely unrelated to a Leatherman Core. Does a Glock bend back and forth? Maybe the handle recedes into the gun barrel? Doubt it.

Even if you are claiming that the plastic in the Core could actually enhance its usability or life, I don’t see how you warrant that claim.

But does it work?
The safety/firing-selector on my AKS-47 is cheap too, but it works just fine.
But how do the tools actually perform?

This argument is redundant.

You're serious that a SLIGHT squeeze of the handles will actually BEND the tips of the pliers?

No, I was joking and clearly appealing to a sense of humor too sophisticated for you.

Yes, I’m serious. I hardly consider my hand muscles to be one of the strongest, but try this: Close the handles of your Core, you will notice that the tips of the pliers don’t close completely shut. Only the very ends of the Core actually touch. If you squeeze harder, more and more of the pliers start touching – this clearly shows that the tips of the pliers are bending. All Leathermans have exhibited this problem, and I didn’t have a problem with it until I started trying out other multi-tools that didn’t have this issue.

But how does the phillips screwdriver perform?
Do the circles and lines affect its performance as a screwdriver?
And do these ridges negatively affect the plier's performance?

redundant

Are you suggesting that those who buy Leatherman tools (folks like yourself since you stated that you just recently bought this tool) are idiots?

I was an idiot for buying the Core. Had I known it was an inferfior product, I would have not bought it.

And who cares if Leatherman uses the same parts, in different combinations, for different tools?
Victorinox has been using the same common tools, just in different configurations, on their Swiss Army Knives for over 100 years.

I care. And I don’t buy Swiss Army Knives. I buy Swiss Tools. There is a difference.

The same thing has been said of Spyderco knives but I've yet to see any real world evidence to support this notion.

This only proves your ignorance and not mine. You aren’t the authority behind all knowledge, so it is completely understandable for some things to slip by you.

I've used the Wave for years and I've never cut myself due to the opening-holes.
And I don't know of anyone who has.
Again, there does not seem to be any real world evidence to back up this notion.

I have. I am real and indeed live in the real world.

I've never had any problem with the pivots on my Wave.
Maybe it's just you?

I have had problems with the pivots on my Wave. Maybe it isn't just me.

Why did you buy the Leatherman in the first place?

I wanted a Super Tool replacement.

Did you actually see and handle one before you purchased?

Unfortunately, no, a mistake on my part.
 
I find the plastic inserts quite functional. The Core is already a pretty bulky tool, had the beefed up the steel to the same thickness, it would have added significant weight and the tool would have been just as fat. Will they be durable in the long run? You have 25 years to find out without cost.

Google: Leatherman Super Tool 200

The button lock spring is absolutely functional. I tend to think it's preferable to a separate part.

It is a cheap design. I never said it wasn't functional.

Regarding the Wave blade being weakened because of the hole... It's starting to sound like you're a troll.

Your refusal to respond to my physics analysis of the Wave blade while ridiculing my opinion makes you a troll.
 
1. The thick plastic that you speak of is the width of the steel roll. The steel roll is there to prevent you from hurting your hand when applying pressure to the handles. The plastic is the exact width of the steel roll. Seems real unnecessary to me

I believe the plastic is unnecessary simply because the Super Tool 200 has had a similar handle design without the plastic. And if you look more closely, the plastic actually protrudes about 1 mm from the bottom of the handle- you know why? Because the plastic bends and doesn’t fit in into the steel completely.

2. The "craplastic" inserts provide less friction than steel on steel contact, resulting in less abrasion, so i dont think that your assumption pawned off as fact holds up here. By your logic, they should remove the plastic or nylon washers from knives, because they add unnecessary bulk and weight, and the steel on steel contact would wear far slower.

Superior steel refinement nullifies the need for plastic washers to smooth out movement. Inserts wouldn’t be necessary to reduce friction in this instance. The use of plastic inserts highlights their willingness to use cheap materials to compensate for their inferior steel casting.
Speaking of logic, by yours, we should have plastic inserts and/or washers in the primary plier pivot itself. Yes, that sounds ludicrous. Ludicrous logic, I suppose?

3. As far as i know, steel is heavier than plastic . and i'm pretty sure that the core's extra weight comes from the increased size of the implements, pliers, handles, and tool itself. the plastic is pretty light. I still dont see a problem with the small amount of plastic used to save on weight and add on structural integrity, a win win in my book. As far as i can tell, you are complaining about something that hasn't actually caused you any trouble, except that you dont like the way it looks. You go ahead and buy a cheap chinease knockoff, and see if it is even remotely comparable.

Why didn’t the Super Tool 200 need plastic inserts? Was it heavier? No, in fact, it was even lighter. We’re moving backwards, people.

4. no they don't, its that simple. I simply grasp the tool i want, and it quite easily rotates into position with no problem. occasionally with two of my screwdrivers, one will come out a very small part of the way, far less than 90 degrees, and is easily either pushed back, or simply folds back in once the handles are closed, and they are forced in by the pliers. I'd hardly call that the same clumping that occured with previous models

It does with mine. I pull out the Phillips screwdriver and out comes the adjacent can opener and medium screwdriver along with it. Yes, the clumping isn’t as bad as previous models, but again, the competition handles this issue much better than the Core does.

6. This doesnt happen on mine, and i cant make it, no matter how hard i try. this has never happened, on any of my tools, on any of the ones i have owned. I can occasionally force the plier head into the gap, however once i shut the handles to use the screwdriver, the pliers close and thus elongate, forcing themselves out of the space. I have seen a lot of these complaints pop up, but only after the first occasion was posted. Regardless, im pretty sure you aren't left to "endlessly pull and tug at the plier head".

That is the funniest thing I’ve read today. Of course multiple complaints are going to eventually be traced back to the first one. These things don’t spontaneously exist, as if people in the 1800’s would already be complaining about the Leatherman Core pliers getting stuck.

7. No. take a look at your pliers, take a look at how rediculously strong they are. squeezing results in a flex of the handles, but if you are flexing the points of the pliers together, you can also squeeze coal into dimonds. even if they were flexing, take a look at the massive amount of leverage you have due to the length of the handles to the pivot. If, somehow, those pliers tips are flexing, then that would mean that the steel was left with some spring to it rather than being hardened to a point where it was too brittle. you could harden them until they dont flex, but i hope you like shattering plier jaws in extreme conditions.

You might have misunderstood what I meant by plier flex, and I will tell you the same thing I told AllenC. I hardly consider my hand muscles to be one of the strongest, but try this: Close the handles of your Core, you will notice that the tips of the pliers don’t close completely shut. Only the very ends of the Core actually touch. If you squeeze harder, more and more of the pliers start touching – this clearly shows that the tips of the pliers are bending. All Leathermans have exhibited this problem, and I didn’t have a problem with it until I started trying out other multi-tools that didn’t have this issue.

8. somewhere in your entirely biased tirade here, i think i pulled out some debatable issues. The leathermans are not essentially made in china. In fact, they exceed the requirements set by the USA to be labeled "made in the USA". Simply, the rules in the state they are in are even more stringent than the national rules. You are getting more american product in a leatherman than you are in some other "made in USA" things. Try doing some research before you post blatently false information. Secondly, you seem to refer to the finish aspect. This seems to be the crutch that all swisstool fanatics fall on when pressed for details. As far as i can tell, it doesnt mean anything. The core has a superb finish. It is shiny with no discernable grind marks anywhere on the tool. All of the screwdrivers are well finished, with square ends, and the blades are sharp with no visable grind marks. what would designate a higher level of finish?

How is a review not going to biased? You make it sound as if a biased OPINION is bad. Where is your impartiality? I hope it has occurred to you at some point in time that reviews and opinions are biased by definition. I’m also not completely stupid. You’d think that I realized by more than half-way through your post that you pulled out some debatable issues.

You say that the Leathermans “exceed the requirements sets by the USA to be labeled ‘made in the USA.’” I don’t believe this claim warrants a response because you don’t explain how you’re right. I’m not going to do the research to try to prove YOU right; you can make me care by telling me how Leatherman exceeds said requirements.

You’re acting as if the idea of finish is a social construct and as a result entirely relative. In that case, what’s to determine that something is more functional than another? Why buy a Leatherman if you can use completely free Nature’s brand tree branches to scrape out bugs in rock crevices? If the types of reasons I give for claiming that the Core is of inferior finish aren’t sufficient for you, than enjoy your bugs.

9. more than likely the phillips head was cast in a mold. Or did you think that they hand ground it from a block of steel just for you? Of course it wasnt sent through a smoothing machine, note the fact that the screwdriver tip isnt smooth. Thats why it grasps screws so well. Id suggest you actually try it rather than complain that it wasn't pretty enough out of the box for you. Also, having grind marks would not make it of inferior quality, just of inferior appearance. so your k'nex set reference is entirely wrong.

redundant; also read this that I also posted in response to AllenC: “You keep oversimplifying the discussion of the Core by pointing to its “effectiveness” and “performance.” I point to issues in its design that will shorten the period of its usability (ie. plastic) and that due of the economization of the Core design, the Core is not worth the price that Leatherman wants you to pay. Effectiveness is not the always best or only way to evaluate a product; for instance, a Timex and Rolex both do a good job of telling time.”

the bottom line is that unchallanged rants are going to cause people to look away from leatherman and towards the other brands, namely the swisstool. I'm sure the swisstool is great, but there is nothing, and i mean nothing, wrong with the leatherman core. I really dont think you can do any better in a hard use, serious product hit the fan, tool. Mine has been in my pocket since the day i got it, and has been preforming admirably. I don't plan on putting it in a drawer any time soon, even if the phillips head isn't shiny enough for some

Toyota makes some of the most reliable cars on the market, but you don’t pay $50,000 to buy a Camry when you can use that to buy a Lexus. The analogy is that perhaps the Core is fine in usability, but the type of materials used and the finish I’m seeing shows me that it absolutely is not worth the same price as a Swiss Tool.

I would go back and insert smiley faces in this post to try to lessen the scathing effect of my superior responses, but I am too lazy.
 
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This really says it all...

Quote:
Originally Posted by allenC
How has it failed to perform?

Biggiep's response:
It hasn't, but its ability to perform isn't the issue. You're comparing apples and oranges.

So you really don't care how your multi-tool actually performs....right:rolleyes:
Silly of me I know, but I want a multi-tool that actually performs well, regardless of its appearance.

Also from biggiep:
You keep oversimplifying the discussion of the Core by pointing to its “effectiveness” and “performance.” I point to issues in its design that will shorten the period of its usability (ie. plastic) and that due of the economization of the Core design, the Core is not worth the price that Leatherman wants you to pay. Effectiveness is not the always best or only way to evaluate a product; for instance, a Timex and Rolex both do a good job of telling time.

There is no indication that the use of plastic in this particular tool will actually shorten the period of the tool's usability.
There is only your suspicions that it might.
This sounds like the old anti-plastic rants that folks said about the M16 and the Glock and the Spyderco Endura.
You're right, effectiveness is not always the the best way to evaluate a product...but it is of utmost importance in a multi-tool.
After all, if the tool simply does not work, then no other factor really matters.
What's the value of a broken Rolex to a man who needs to know the time?

From your numerous posts, it just sounds like unfounded and baseless Leatherman bashing.

I'll tell you what...
I have some knives for trade right now on the forum and I'm looking for a Leatherman tool.
Check out my trade list and let me know if you see something (or somethings) that you would like for your Leatherman Core.

Here's the link:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=444922
 
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