Leatherman Juice CS4 Review

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Most reviews in this forum end up saying something like this, so let me get this out of the way right here at the top. This tool would be perfect if I could swap the corkscrew for a file.

This is the first tool I've gotten on a whim, just to see how I would like it. I carry a Leatherman Micra daily in my front pocket as a companion to a changing EDC knife. I love the Micra, as 99% of the time, I don't need pliers.

On the rare occasion I need something more than the Micra, I go to my one of my EDC bags and fetch a proper multitool. In my laptop bag, I carry a SOG paratool that my wife gave me nearly 30 years ago. I can report that it is just as wretched of tool today as the day I got it. Every time I use it, I manage to pinch my fingers with it.

In my non-work bag (a Mountainsmith Daylight, for those who wonder) I normally carry an older Blast, which is just about perfect in it's tool selection, particularly since I've converted the knife blade to an awl. IMO, if you're going to have a pliers based tool, the pliers need to really work and the Blast does this without weighing a ton.

The only downside to the Blast is its bulk, forcing my knife out of the right rear pocket and into the front. The Blast is too big for pocket carry and that got me thinking about the Juice.

Here's a run down of the tools...

The first and most important part of pliers based tools is the pliers. The pliers punch above their weight and best of all, they don't pinch my fingers. I took the CS4 with me to open my uncle's camp this spring which involves tearing down a bunch of snow fence. The pliers got used constantly over the weekend and held up great. Obviously, as will all such tools, there is a force limit and a super strong grip on something might exceed that limit. If you accept this, the pliers are excellent.

The next most import tool for most people is the knife blade. It's located next to the logo and is easy to find and deploy. For me, it's a frustrating tweener blade. It's too big for precise cutting where a small pen blade (like on the Micra) excel and too small for food prep and bigger cutting tasks. But if you like the size of blade on most traditional pocket knives or on SAKs, you will like it.

Fans of the Victorinox Farmer are right. Saw blades are great. The CS4 has one and it is, indeed, great and does a fine job on small shop/craft cuts and is capable of cutting down small saplings and branches doing yard work. I prefer the slightly larger locking saw on my Blast, but the CS4 is quite capable. It shares a well with an awl which has a sewing hole in it. I don't have much use for that but there you go.

The shared well design of the awl and saw frustrate me, because it shows it would be possible for a file and the can/bottle opener to likewise share a well. I use a file a lot and corkscrew never and this is my biggest frustration with the tool selection.

The last of of the outer wells has thumb actuate scissors that are the nicest thumb scissors I've used. They aren't as nice as the Micra's though.

The inner wells have a decent selection of standard blades and a #2 Phillips. As with most Leatherman tools, the screw drivers are best used with one arm open for a full hand hold. They can also be used as a t-handle, so long as you don't over-torque the tool.

At the end of the day, the Blast is a better tool for my style of carry. The weight penalty is negligible in my EDC bag and I prefer the size and tool selection of the Blast, particularly the file.

Where the Juice wins is as a true pocket knife. It's the same size and girth of most full sized SAKs and for me, more useful due to the excellent pliers.
 
Good review. Is your Juice the older version or the current one with the bi-colored handles?
 
Ive been trying to get used to my CS4, but usually pack my S2 instead as I find the saw dissappointing usually and CS4 feels so bulky and heavy compared to S2. Then again if you are used to Blast its probably ok. Good review!
 
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Most reviews in this forum end up saying something like this, so let me get this out of the way right here at the top. This tool would be perfect if I could swap the corkscrew for a file.

I would have agreed with this back when, but lately, after decades of seldom using any pocket tool corkscrew, I now use the one on my SAK Sportsman quite often. It started when our dedicated corkscrew broke and the SAK's was an expedient substitute, but it worked well enough that I wasn't in a hurry to replace the other. I'm still procrastinating on that.

This is the first tool I've gotten on a whim, just to see how I would like it. I carry a Leatherman Micra daily in my front pocket as a companion to a changing EDC knife. I love the Micra, as 99% of the time, I don't need pliers.

My sentiments exactly

The first and most important part of pliers based tools is the pliers. The pliers punch above their weight and best of all, they don't pinch my fingers. I took the CS4 with me to open my uncle's camp this spring which involves tearing down a bunch of snow fence. The pliers got used constantly over the weekend and held up great. Obviously, as will all such tools, there is a force limit and a super strong grip on something might exceed that limit. If you accept this, the pliers are excellent.

For me, it was on again, off again on the pliers. One time I needed pliers for a quick emergency fix and cursed them for being too wimpy, but in hindsight, they worked well enough to get me going, certainly better than the no other pliers available. Once I understood there were limits, I could live with them.

The next most import tool for most people is the knife blade. It's located next to the logo and is easy to find and deploy. For me, it's a frustrating tweener blade. It's too big for precise cutting where a small pen blade (like on the Micra) excel and too small for food prep and bigger cutting tasks. But if you like the size of blade on most traditional pocket knives or on SAKs, you will like it.

Any pocket knife is a compromise, so my expectations are modest. I make do with mine.

Fans of the Victorinox Farmer are right. Saw blades are great. The CS4 has one and it is, indeed, great and does a fine job on small shop/craft cuts and is capable of cutting down small saplings and branches doing yard work. I prefer the slightly larger locking saw on my Blast, but the CS4 is quite capable. It shares a well with an awl which has a sewing hole in it. I don't have much use for that but there you go.

With me it was other way around. I seldom used the CS4 saw because when doing yard work I carry a 7" Corona folding trimmer and a SAK OH Trekker, both of which are far superior for that kind of work. OTOH, I used the awl a lot after sharpening it. It came pretty dull. So, different strokes...

The shared well design of the awl and saw frustrate me, because it shows it would be possible for a file and the can/bottle opener to likewise share a well. I use a file a lot and corkscrew never and this is my biggest frustration with the tool selection.

See above.

The last of of the outer wells has thumb actuate scissors that are the nicest thumb scissors I've used. They aren't as nice as the Micra's though.

Totally agree.

The inner wells have a decent selection of standard blades and a #2 Phillips. As with most Leatherman tools, the screw drivers are best used with one arm open for a full hand hold. They can also be used as a t-handle, so long as you don't over-torque the tool.

Totally agree. The Ph can also accommodate the accessory bit extender which can greatly increase the Juice's versatility, but also compromises its pocket tool character. But if necessary, it can do.

At the end of the day, the Blast is a better tool for my style of carry. The weight penalty is negligible in my EDC bag and I prefer the size and tool selection of the Blast, particularly the file.

Where the Juice wins is as a true pocket knife. It's the same size and girth of most full sized SAKs and for me, more useful due to the excellent pliers.

Nothing more to add. :thumbup:
 
Ive been trying to get used to my CS4, but usually pack my S2 instead as I find the saw dissappointing usually and CS4 feels so bulky and heavy compared to S2. Then again if you are used to Blast its probably ok. Good review!

I understand the temptation and sometimes succumb to it myself, but carried by paracord dangler into LF pocket, the difference in felt weight is minor.
 
I have a few multi tools, including 5 Leatherman (including the Charge Ti) and 5 SAK's. My first was a SOG Paratool, now 25 years old, I still use it and keep it in my mini tool-bag. 25 years ago I purchased the SOG to cut boxes at work. After a few days, I switched to a $1 box cutter and never switched back. About 15 years ago, I started managing a few properties, sometimes doing light maintenance work. I had a few multitools at that point, but couldn't get much work done in an efficient manner, so I switched to proper tools and a mini-tool bag I pop into my work messenger bag. So, when I need to use a multitool (because my tool bag is at home), which one to I grab for first? My Leatherman Juice's (either my CS4 or my S2). It's been that way for the last 15 years. When I can just carry one multitool, its always the Juice. There hasn't been any other tool with as many options that I actually use with the same size, weight, and comfort when trying to screw multiple long wood nails into wood, etc. Even the pliers do 99% of what I would do with my old SOG Paratool. I do use the needle nose pliers and wire cutters enough to want them. I also really like my Gerber Curve keychain tool, but have put that in the drawer and replaced with a Squirt, since I'm experimenting with no-plier multi tools.

My current EDC (on my body) is the Squirt PS4 and a Leatherman Crater c33Tx (with sanded scales), but I always keep my Squirt in my messenger bag... even when I bring along my proper tools.

Side notes:
1. Leatherman Crater has my favorite blade design of my SAK's and Leatherman's (plus a usable thumbstud)
2. Side phillips screwdriver on the SAK is awkward for most uses compared to the Leatherman, but can reach screws that are significantly recessed because of the shape
3. The saw on all of the SAK's is better in use than the comparable sized Leatherman versions
4. CS4 Squirt's corkscrew is designed to be used with the can-opener as a cantilever, so the corkscrew is less robust than on the SAK's
5. SAK's SwissTool Pouch works great for the OHT, and seems to be of higher quality than the other Victorinox Nylon and pleather pouches for the smaller SAK's (I bought 3, also to hold my BM 94x's; pouches purchased from Victorinox in the Mall of America and they also shipped a couple to me; I don't know why mine have the black and silver button and the one's on the internet have a red and silver button)
6. Leatherman Juice pouches are nice. However, REI sells "Rainbow of California" knife pouches in 3 sizes. Small is the perfect size for the Juice S2 and CS4. As a side note, the large fits my BM 710 perfectly. I use these pouches because the Leatherman Juice pouch won't fit over my thick leather belt (3 times as thick as the ones you see in the store).

Weight and easy one handed opening turned out to be more of an issue than I thought for "always on me" carry... so it's hard not to put the Crater in my pouch on any given day... The thing that irks me is how simple it would have been for Leatherman to make the flat head screwdriver a can opener too, but didn't. That's the main issue why I switch it out while traveling. My companion to it, the Squirt PS4 doesn't have a can opener either.
 
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