LEGAL ADVICE - No porn for right now!

Originally posted by Mike Hull
Random, the people in W&C acting like juveniles, and pouring out to "piss someone off", and then escaping back into their hideout, is the main reason a lot of folks don't like BFC. I know it was not all, but enough participated in this sort of nonsense to give the whole place a black eye. Believe me, I have heard this repeated many times, by many people. I just got tired of telling them that things were not that bad anymore. The new forum is already starting off on the wrong foot.:(

I've yet to hear this. People coming out of W&C to bash people and retreating is an entirely new one for me.

As a matter of fact, the only time I ever see a "BladeForums.com Sucks" thread is when someone get's caught doing something they oughtant, or get's fed up with our pretty simple policies and decides that something more totalitarian would be better, while meanwhile engaging in the same behavior they'd like see banned.

I've seen a bunch of pissed off people leave over the years for a variety of reasons. You can't please everyone all of the time. If someone isn't man enough to logically discuss problems to their conclusion, then their point of view must not have much behind it and they are better off running somewhere else.
 
I've seen a bunch of pissed off people leave over the years for a variety of reasons. You can't please everyone all of the time. If someone isn't man enough to logically discuss problems to their conclusion, then their point of view must not have much behind it and they are better off running somewhere else.

Good point!

I still see people saying that the few who are against the concept this new forum provides are somehow trying to teach a morality issue or are against porn. I can say it untill I am blue as that is NOT the case at all. But no matter how many times I say it, someone will still think I don't like porn and I am trying to teach my morals to all. But I grow tired of trying to say the same **** over and over again.

I am called a whinning ex admin. Huh? See Sparks post above. I am continuing to discuss this issue. Just because I don't cave in I am called a whinner? Whatever :rolleyes:

I think many of you see my point. Many of your arguments are valid. The only real question is the one that starts it all.

Is this the right direction for BFC?
 
I have to admit that while some of what I've seen in the new forum is interesting and enjoyable, I don't think it fits into BF.

I don't particularly like porn. Unless it is of naked women who appeal to me. Which is called "art." And only I know the difference! :p

Where's Lorena Bobbitski, anyways?? She's a shy one ain't she?

Karl
 
Originally posted by Mike Turber
I think many of you see my point. Many of your arguments are valid. The only real question is the one that starts it all.

Is this the right direction for BFC?
Turning BFC into pornforums.com or turning BFC into a porn site would be the wrong direction and I think everyone agrees on that.

But will allowing virtually anything (including porn) in this forum only change the overall direction of BFC?

I don't think it will. Otherwise I'd be against it too. We're not looking to change the overall direction of BFC, all of us paying members here really like the overall direction of BFC, which is why we're here and why we pay. By suggesting the addition of this forum and suggesting that it remain unmoderated, we're not trying to change the direction of BFC at all, just create a little clubhouse for certain BFC members to hang out without the moderation we approve of in the rest of the forums.

I don't see how this forum could hurt or affect the rest of the forums. Am I missing something?
 
Yes, you are missing something and I do not mean that in a bad way, nor am I trying to be mean.

What is being missed is that BFC is not a site dedicated to being all things to all knifenutts. We have a goal and a specific goal. Spark and I laid this goal out in the very beginning. This forum drifts from that goal and it in no way adds to the spirit of the goal.

Part of my original goal for this site was to create an atmosphere we can all come into and enjoy. And I really meant all. To allow this forum is to allow that some people be offended. I doubt that ANY other forum on this site offends anyone at all, in any way. This one does, and it should be shut down. We can't not be all things to all people but we can create an atmosphere condusive to positive conversation. W&C is a grey area but it is allowed and I personally think it should stay, however it may be shut down as well. Wether this is a legal decision is not the point either. Heck when it all boils right down it is a question of headache and it just ain't worth the bull ****.

I am not in a position to truly dictate what is done here. Spark and I created this site and I hope that my input holds a bit of weight. It would hurt me to see that something I helped create is turned into something I never intended. It would hurt even more if this site ran into problems and I was not here to help or give my advice to warn of such possibility. I could have just sold the site and said **** it. It is yours, you deal with it. But I am not that way, nor will I ever be.
 
Ok, I understand that we shouldn't post porn on this site, and Spark has told us why in this post. As far as it being shut down, NO I don't think this forum should be shut down. We could keep it, rename it, or whatever Spark decides to. This is my opinion, and my vote stays to keep it.
 
NO I don't think this forum should be shut down. We could keep it, rename it, or whatever Spark decides to.

We certainly don't need another porn site. Judging by the amount of junk mail I get, there are too many of those already. So what would this be, just another W&C?

Perhaps we should keep the forum as a serious community relations board for sponsoring members; a sort of broader version of the Moderator's BackEnd board. A place for us to table community issues without having to deal with every troll that falls off the net. We have had any number of discussions, on the creation of new forums, and on many of the mechanical aspects of this site. These would work better if they could be addressed on this forum.

n2s
 
We're still considering what will become of this forum. This will not turn into another "Back End" forum, regardless. If it stays open, it will remain a retreat for paying members.

No matter what course of action, somehow, someway, something will offend a segment of the forums. That is the nature of things. I personally fail to see the difference between this and W&C, especially with the current moratorium on pornographic pictures.

This is a community - if we were to restrain ourselves to only knife related topics, we would not have a Community section of the site at all. Certainly not a W&C section, which is almost as popular as the Community Center forum. It certainly gets about the same amount of traffic. Need is not an absolute in how this site is run; there is very little one *needs* in life, you certainly don't <b>need</b> forums to begin with. It's a matter of want, and let's not lose sight of that.

While we will attempt to meet the wants and desires of our membership and balance them with the needs of this site, sometimes they are not convergent. It happens. We still try our best.

That being said, there will always be some form of moderation on this forum, regardless of it's status. That's a given due to the nature of the site and our desire to limit liability.
 
...no dogs, just a soft warm furry 'lick your face' puppies forum?

That's sure to please everyone...except for cat lovers, dog haters, snake/bird/fish/lizard people, and people that think this website should only be for talking about knives... :rolleyes:

Mel
 
I am starting to think that this could be a lot of fun. I really don't see it as something that will take away from the rest of the forum at all. This will just be a place that paid members can come, kick back and relax. Kind of like our version of chat.

Hopefully we will be able to keep this forum going. I would prefer if it was open to as wide a range of topics as possible. I also think that it should be unmoderated. I think the member here can do a good enough job of self moderating.

Boy have I done an about face on this one. See, some people are willing to listen to a well presented point of view.

I borrowed the image below from the internet.
 
I voiced my opinion when this new forum opened. The name was in poor taste and there was far too much smut. It was MY opinion and that has not changed.

But change the forum name, moderate out the smut and have a ball. I did not pay to participate, so W&C will be as far as I go.

I still do not understand why this type of Forum is needed on BFC but I can be dumber than a tree-stump [can be?]

Enjoy, and I am outta here before I need a shower!!!:p :p ;)
 
A grave disservice is being dealt the members of bladeforums who do not get to voice their opinion simply because they do not come to W&C or "Pirate's Cove".

Why are these discussions not taking place in the "Community Center" where everyone can chime in?

Seems like all these "should it stay or should it go" threads are being discussed by the same pool of 20-40 people and not reflective of the whole of bladeforums.

There are many members who don't even know what's going on here.

I agree with Mike Turber, KWM, wolfmann601, Ichabod Poser, and others that bladeforums needs to establish a more clear direction and stick to it.
 
Unfortunately, Pendative, the "whole of BladeForums.com" didn't pay for a membership. If they did, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

Given the opportunity, those who didn't pay would love to say "Hey, make the for sale forums free!" as well. That's a non-starter.

As for a clearer direction - that's already been discussed as well. This site's primary focus is knives. Everything else is secondary, including the entire community section. The current issue is do we want a secondary, members only community area.

Ira's opinion is that no matter what, he's not going to participate. He's entitled to that opinion. Several others have expressed that they don't like porno. Fine, I respect that as well. Any other major arguments against this forum? Again, let's try to avoid the whole "need" agruement as we don't need several forums on this site.

Kevin
 
Originally posted by Spark
Unfortunately, Pendative, the "whole of BladeForums.com" didn't pay for a membership. If they did, we probably wouldn't be having this discussion.

((not flaming))

What is the real issue here? Whether to have a pay-site, or whether to allow pornography at all? I think that the latter needs to be decided before the former and that all of bladeforums should be allowed to talk about it.

That's what I mean about "direction".
 
Spark and everyone,

Here is my proposal. We take this one step at a time.

1. Can we have a "paying members only" forum of any
kind?

2. Do we need a moderator?

3.I we can get an answer th those two questions, I think it will be easier for us to get this settled.

On a seperate note, It does seem to be a core group of people debating this. I noticed that many of us have been here a long time. Many for a year or three. I get pretty bored with all the same old knife threads in General. I know lots of people get "Burned out". I feel that way too. I even consider not visiting the forums
anymore. I think having a diverse group of forums is important if you wan't to keep a loyal group of members. I will renew at the highest membership level this year if there is anything here for me. I buy from 1sks. I buy from Dealers who pay Spark to advertise. I support this forum. The long standing members are the ones who buy tshirts, hats, knife bags and expensive knives, memberships, etc. I think it only fair we get our own forum. Rules and a stern entrance warning should take care of the rest. I.E.- "what is said in the cove, stays in the cove. No exceptions."

So, if we can decide if we get a pirate club at all, the rest will be easier. If moderation is neccessary, I volunteer.
 
Spark - how many paying members does bladeforums have? (everyone included - knifemakers, mods, gold members, etc.)
 
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