1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

  2. Click here to enter the drawing for your chance to win a Kizer 1034A1 Gingrich Bush Knife & Ka-Bar Dozier Folding Hunter, , Bladeforums.com swag or memberships!

    Be sure to read the rules before entering, then help us decide next week's giveaway by hitting the poll in that thread! Entries close at midnight, Saturday Sept 7!

    Once the entries close, we'll live stream the drawing on Sunday, Sept 8 at 5PM Eastern. Tune in to our YouTube channel TheRealBladeForums for a chance to win bonus prizes!

    Questions? Comments? Post in the discussion thread here

Lets talk GEC!

Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by rockgolfer, Jun 23, 2013.

  1. Ramrodmb

    Ramrodmb Gold Member Gold Member

    Jun 9, 2010
    I think it would be more like a 2/3 whittler?:D
     
    Onearmbladenut and Ripcord 82 like this.
  2. Mayonardo

    Mayonardo Gold Member Gold Member

    325
    Oct 28, 2010
    Oops… you are right. 2/3 whittler, 1/2 Congress. Just right. :)
     
  3. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson

    161
    Jul 3, 2019
    Since pocket knives are a man made thing, and not a scientific discovery of naturally occurring phenomena, I would say the only thing we have available is a prescriptivist definition of what a knife is. A consensus must me made and after that we use that term by the rules we made, which is the only reason why I care. We would probably rise up as a community and smite the individual who makes a stockman and calls it a whittler, only because we wish to preserve a meaningful but subjective definition.

    You would probably agree with me that there have been two legitimate publications that could be referred to; one with a broader definition than the other. You’d also probably agree that they are both subjective- so who is the authority?

    As I’ve said prior, I can live with the broader definition. At this point I can only say that it would be a reasonable conclusion for an amateur user or professional knife collector to look at the GEC #29 and say “huh, three springs and they are calling it a Whittler?”.

    Anyway, thanks for the information. I’ll consider the matter closed and I recant my initial statement. I no longer worry that the name will mislead anyone and I’m certain everyone who buys a #29, including me, will get a Whittler no matter what their expectation is.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m going to go sit in a darkroom and meditate on what makes a half Whittler.o_O:rolleyes:;)
     
    meako, cbr1000 and Ripcord 82 like this.
  4. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson

    161
    Jul 3, 2019
    Haha, on a hilarious note, just as I posted about how I’m going to consider 1/2 Whittlers you guys beat me to it.

    We can all certainly agree some monikers mean more than others. I’m going to go play with my #35 pen knife... or opposite ended jack... or is it a 1/2 whittler?

    Badee badee badee ba- That’s all folks!
     
    meako and Ripcord 82 like this.
  5. jsdistin

    jsdistin KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    445
    May 27, 2016
    All this talk of whittlers,
    7D490C38-BEB7-4E04-BEF3-4AE87A5194CE.jpeg
     
  6. Old Engineer

    Old Engineer Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 30, 2014
    Just want to say what a great job GEC did with the 93's and for finally making a Lambfoot for a @waynorth SFO .
    [​IMG]

    Harry
     
  7. r8shell

    r8shell Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jan 16, 2010
    Just to open up another can of worms...Bernard Levine himself once admonished me: There is no such thing as a Half-Congress. A Congress knife can have two blades, or four blades, or even six blades, but a two blade Congress is not a Half-Congress.
    Unless you are talking about a "Carpenter's Whittler" ;) Which is a clip/coping/clip in a Stockman configuration.
    [​IMG]

    I hope you understand that I point these things out not to be argumentative, but because I enjoy pedantry and semantics. :D All in good spirit, I hope. :)
     
  8. jsdistin

    jsdistin KnifeMaker / Craftsman / Service Provider Knifemaker / Craftsman / Service Provider

    445
    May 27, 2016
    If everyone agrees on everything then there’s nothing to discuss. Makes being on a discussion board a little silly. I like pedantry and semantics as well.
     
  9. Frailer

    Frailer Gold Member Gold Member

    702
    Oct 25, 2009
    I do, as well. It’s gotten me in trouble more than once.

    “Hi. My name is Mark, and I’m a pedant...”
     
  10. CelloDan

    CelloDan Basic Member Basic Member

    277
    Dec 2, 2017
    So what do they mean by “ hammer tested “ ? ( I googled steel hammer testing etc by can’t find the answer as it would relate to knifes )
     
    EngrSorenson likes this.
  11. cbr1000

    cbr1000

    Jan 31, 2013
    I saw a photo with the ram shield oriented a different direction. Has anybody seen any of those around?
     
  12. Mayonardo

    Mayonardo Gold Member Gold Member

    325
    Oct 28, 2010
     
  13. Mayonardo

    Mayonardo Gold Member Gold Member

    325
    Oct 28, 2010
    Pedantry? I’m there! Got me in trouble more than once but I love words, precision and history. I never liked “half Congress” anyway. Thanks.

    That is a pattern I have been interested in for a long time. I’m lucky to have found it.
     
    r8shell and EngrSorenson like this.
  14. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson

    161
    Jul 3, 2019
    I’m no expert, but since no one has taken a stab at this yet, I will. I believe hammer testing refers to the test to determine the hardness of a metal’s heat treat. There’s various tests, but I believe the Rockwell hardness scale uses a dimpled striking surface and the idea is you can correlate the hardness scale with the measured indent in the metal.
     
    CelloDan and meako like this.
  15. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson

    161
    Jul 3, 2019
    Except of course for the Schatt & Morgan Carpenter’s whittler... soo it’s all starting to seem meaningless to me.
     
    r8shell likes this.
  16. knifeswapper

    knifeswapper Knife Peddler Dealer / Materials Provider

    Sep 3, 2004
    It is an old style test where they place the blade in a vice and then strike it with a certain force with a hammer to insure it doesn't break from being too brittle.
     
    JohnDF, EngrSorenson and CelloDan like this.
  17. CelloDan

    CelloDan Basic Member Basic Member

    277
    Dec 2, 2017
    TY Mike !
    It’s satisfying to get to know little details like this about the knives we love :thumbsup:
     
  18. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson

    161
    Jul 3, 2019
    Do you think they actually still do it the old way? That’s fascinating. Seems like a method to test the tempering rather than the hardness.
     
    Ripcord 82 likes this.
  19. Boxer .45

    Boxer .45

    Jan 11, 2015
    Sure, a lot of makers still use that test.
     
    CelloDan likes this.
  20. knifeswapper

    knifeswapper Knife Peddler Dealer / Materials Provider

    Sep 3, 2004
    I actually had this conversation not that long ago. They do still do it periodically, although not as often as they once did. They have found such consistency out of Peter's Heat treatment; that they have found little need for stringent "hammer testing" and mainly just verify the treat with in-house hrc testing on each run.
     
    L.H.S, JohnDF and CelloDan like this.

Share This Page