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Lets talk GEC!

Discussion in 'Traditional Folders and Fixed Blades' started by rockgolfer, Jun 23, 2013.

  1. BGMoHunter

    BGMoHunter Gold Member Gold Member

    22
    Jan 17, 2020
    I’ve only been a GEC collector for a couple years, but I’ve been luke-warm because the collectors suck the supply to profit in the secondary market and I can’t buy the knives without turning it into a game. I also want to use the knives and not feel like I just ruined a $400 collectible. The point of GEC making knives was to ensure that part of our history, the traditional pocket knife, didn’t die. Benchmade axis locks are the norm, not a traditional. The current market for GEC’s was not sustainable, and not healthy for the traditional market. The best long-term approach is to make high-quality knives, in adequate supply, so that large numbers of people will buy them. The SFO business model doesn’t allow for that, and I’m sure their market research showed that. Just an opinion from a guy that would buy a lot of knives for the right reasons if he could get them.
     
  2. Prester John

    Prester John Gold Member Gold Member

    May 20, 2018
    I think it would be great to go into a hardware store or farm and ranch store and find a display case of GEC knives at reasonable prices. But that won't happen--they're a small company, and they fill a niche, I think. But I am not going to sit around waiting for a "drop" and scramble to get one, and I'm not paying $300 or $400 for a pocket knife.
     
  3. Will Power

    Will Power Gold Member Gold Member

    Jan 18, 2007
    Especially 300-400 for an otherwise ordinary carbon bladed knife;) Yes, they certainly are of consistent quality and many are attractive but those 'collector' prices are just absurd and sometimes fuelled by a lemming like greed....

    For me as a European, I've largely been very satisfied with being able to get most of the GECs available, it can be hard but patience is a virtue, often I've been helped by generosity here.:thumbsup: What I never cared for was this inane crowing that some people indulged in about 'drops' setting up aps and buying up as much as they can (even when they didn't know what the handle materials were:rolleyes:) and then pretending they had changed their mind about buying all the SFOS so 'had' to sell some to make room. Just greed, but it's only possible if the gullible enable it by buying into the group think of must have ;)

    Now the SFOs have stopped or at least temporarily halted, it could inflate prices but it could also have the opposite effect, diminishing interest-this certainly does happen in the collecting 'game' as tastes are fickle. As I wrote earlier, I just hope this contraction is not in connexion with problems related to the extended shutdown. If GEC thrives we all benefit, if it encounters trouble then that's bad news for everybody involved, fingers crossed :)
     
  4. JohnDF

    JohnDF Gold Member Gold Member

    May 14, 2018
    I believe Mike has the rights to the Northfield Barlows and Charlie has the rights to the Tidioute Barlows.
    I could see them making a killing with a well-priced Farm and Field Barlow with Wood, Micarta, or Delrin handles.
     
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  5. Fox79

    Fox79 Gold Member Gold Member

    528
    Sep 24, 2017
    I’ve been thinking a lot about the barlows. Couldn’t they make a barlow on the 15 and 77 frame and just use a smooth bolster?

    And how about the GEC brand? Maybe we’ll see more stainless steel releases.

    I also had another idea for Charlie? Could Charlie possibly partner with Eric who made the recent Red Trout Knives? Maybe they could collaborate on a small batch?

    Lots of possibilities.
     
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  6. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    I understand the skepticism people have about this change, but we don’t have all the details yet and this change could result in great things if we’re open to it.

    Bill Howard is one of our people and he’s fully aware of what we want. He’s a smart businessman and I’m positive he’ll move the direction the dollars take him.

    @Prester John I dream of the same thing, the only problem is the general public doesn’t understand carbon steel maintenance anymore, and I’d be afraid improper care and a rusty GEC would diminish public perception outside of old-timers and knife-Knut circles.
     
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  7. cbr1000

    cbr1000

    Jan 31, 2013
    For good, bad, or whatever reason, they have not made a Barlow in 2 out of the 4 lines they offer. Maybe we will see a Farm & Field, or stainless GEC version someday, but my gut feeling is we won't because they have had that option all along and decided not too. Who knows, they could start a 5th house line and that would open all sorts of new possibilities.
     
  8. sf fanatic

    sf fanatic Gold Member Gold Member

    437
    Apr 4, 2017
    Not sure this is what you were looking for and not the greatest pic.
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  9. Fox79

    Fox79 Gold Member Gold Member

    528
    Sep 24, 2017
    I’ve often thought GEC should do a custom shop line featuring small runs of the knives that are more challenging like the splitback whittlers. The custom house could now include certain SFO’s like the Waynorth, CK, and Lyle Frye Knives we all love.

    hey, just me rambling and dreaming. I hope you are listening GEC....
     
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  10. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    that’s exactly what I was looking for! Do my eyes deceive me? That looks like an asymmetric grind on the primary!

    sincerely, thanks for noticing my call for help, @sf fanatic. If that is truly an asymmetric grind, my interest in this upcoming pattern is renewed.

    Edit:
    @sf fanatic has your #33 seen a lot of pocket time? What’s been your experience with it?
    @black mamba can you flash up that pen -> coping mod on your #44 again? You did great work with that, and this upcoming #33 might benefit from the same treatment.
     
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  11. sf fanatic

    sf fanatic Gold Member Gold Member

    437
    Apr 4, 2017
    I have not carried my #33, it’s a numbered one and I just can’t get myself to do that. I’m really looking forward to the new ones. For me it’s the perfect size for the watch pocket in my jeans.
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  12. mrknife

    mrknife

    May 9, 2010
    there is no denying the fact that certain patterns simply just sell much better. For example the 15s. Single blade clips, buy early and buy fast. The spears did pretty well too. Not counting Charle's special, but slap a bail and chain on them, theyre still available at retailers to this day.
     
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  13. Markeologist

    Markeologist Basic Member Basic Member

    Jul 21, 2018
    The standard 15 Boys Knives in all blade-types were available for quite awhile at dealers as were the last run of the now highly sought after Crown Lifters. The “upscale” versions whether standard-GEC issue like the Beer Scouts and Radio Knives or the SFOs like the Soda Scouts, Radio Jacks, and TCs flew off the shelves in comparison. GEC could make all these again save the TC with little trouble (could probably come to some agreement with Mr. CC as well on the TC though that is purely speculation on my part)....and yes, I know they can’t use the Beer Scout name, I’ve posted the court filings, etc here in past.

    You are absolutely correct on the 15s with chains...you can still find the standard issue as well as a certain SFO at retail. Buy one of those and pull out the pliers to remove the bail. You can fill the hole with a stud or another rivet/post or if you want to preserve the hole in case you want to reinstall chain in the future, just mash a little walnut meat into the hole.
     
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  14. rpstrimple

    rpstrimple Gold Member Gold Member

    383
    Oct 16, 2011
    This is an interesting idea. Like Case with the main line and then the Bose collabs. You offer a wide release and then maybe a pattern or two a year as a limited release. The only concern I would have is quality with a wider release. If they start to produce more, I hope the quality would remain what it currently is. And would the wide release then collect dust because everyone would be spamming the refresh button for the limited ones? So many possibilities and so many questions lol. I’ll stop rambling now.
     
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  15. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    That’s a gorgeous knife- I get why carrying it would be hard, in spite of the serialization. Is the main krinked? Or does it look like the mark side is more or less straight and the other side converges in it? If I get a second I can demonstrate with my #35.
     
  16. mrknife

    mrknife

    May 9, 2010
    certainly did that with the SFA i got, but it eventually became parts for a tc mod!
     
  17. sf fanatic

    sf fanatic Gold Member Gold Member

    437
    Apr 4, 2017
    That would be helpful. Here’s another pic of the main blade partially open.
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  18. blanco112

    blanco112 Gold Member Gold Member

    Nov 1, 2016
    To be fair there a few drivers of that, the most prominent being I collect a lot of Northwoods. Secondly I tend to buy a lot of GECs of all flavors but when it comes time to paying for things I sell my standard issue GECs so what has stuck around are: Northwoods, Charlie's SFOs, Mike's 77 and 85 SFOs and anything in camel bone.
     
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  19. EngrSorenson

    EngrSorenson Gold Member Gold Member Basic Member

    Jul 3, 2019
    That looks even more convincing. I‘ve tried to make two parallel lines along the liners to show the unique geometry of the asymmetric grind on the master blade. Krinked blades show a uniform spine thickness, but a cant in angle near the tang. Note how the #35 shows variable spine geometry, with the secondary side having a drastically different grind to accommodate the secondary blade. For me, this and the divided two spring Whittler represent that pinnacle of knife design.
    Edit: thanks again for humoring a guy who spends way too much time over analyzing knife design.
    [​IMG]
     
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  20. waverave

    waverave Platinum Member Platinum Member

    Jun 7, 2018
    Random question for anyone who is paying attention and may know...what is the deal with the "Factory Test Runs" from 2010-2011? Were those the precursor to the PPP stamp? Seems like maybe a short-lived period where a few knives were released before the production run...but not sure. I've seen a 33 with that etch but its not listed in the production totals as a test run.
     
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