Linseed oil and minwax

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I heard that people soak wood scales in linseed oil for a couple weeks to naturally stabilize it. Do any of you guys do this? I'm thinking about getting some of the oil, however, I am concerned that it may be too thick of a liquid to soak into all the wood. Do you guys cut it with mineral spirits or acetone or anything?

Also, I do a similar thing with minwax wood hardener, acetone, and Rit on maple. Would minwax wood hardener cut with acetone stabilize other woods OK? I'm worried that the oily woods may not soak it in well. What woods are too oily to be stabilized in this manner?

Thanks
 
I can't help you Chang, but I'm curious about another related question. After soaking wood in oils wouldn't it then have a harder time bonding with the knife if you epoxy it on?
 
Chang, linseed oil will work if thinned but works better when warm. Now that I've said that, there are many better things to use. The wood hardner workks very well as does antique oil and the various marine urathanes. An added disadvantage to linseed oil, and this will answer Peters question in part, is that it causes a very slow breakdown in the wood. This is very slow and you would not notice in your lifetime from the wood alone. I have always felt that the breakdown would help loosen the bond of epoxy.

I can't prove my theory but why use something that is just "OK" when there are so many other things out there that work much better.

A side note about linseed oil is that it is not 100% waterproof so stabalizing with it only gives partial protection.
 
I use to use boiled linseed oil, its thinner than regular linseed oil, I would complete the knife, epoxy, pin amd finish sand. Then drop the knife in a jar of boiled linseed oil handle first, leave set for 24 - 48 hrs then wipe off the excess and let dry for a couple of days. It does a good job if you don't want to wait for a week or 2 for hardener to soak all the way through. The linseed oil will help seal the material quite well, I carried one of my first knives done that way for 3 hunting seasons with no problems.

Good Luck

Bill
 
I guess I'll stick with wood hardener, but at 7-8 bucks a bottle, it aint exactly cheap stuff, even if I dilute it with acetone. What woods will it stabilize (like which ones are too dense or oily)?
 
When I was playing with a wood lathe and making stuff that might hold consumables I used Walnut oil because it is supposed to penetrate well and cure hard. Does anybody know anything about this? I can't even remember where I heard it.
 
Eric, I use a process that some folks will probably laugh at. But I'm here to tell you that it works and works REAL well.

I use Cutler's Resin on all natural handle materials. I use it as the bonding agent in place of epoxy on full tang knife handles. And I also use it as a final finish for all natural handle materials. The way it works is with heat. When you place your wood handle scales in the hot resin it will bubble like crazy until it gets loaded with the hot resin. I don't know how far it penetrates but it will make the entire handle impervious to water. And I believe that Cutler's Resin will outlast the blade on most any knife. They've found bugs suspended in pine pitch that were carbon dated to millions of years old. Who can argue with that? Cutler's Resin is a mixture of pine pitch, carnauba wax and beeswax. 1 lb. of pine pitch, 1/4 lb. of beeswax and 1/2 cup of carnauba wax is my normal recipe, but you can mix it any way you want to get the results you're looking for.

You have to use this stuff hot because when it's at room temp it's as hard as, well, let's just say it's real firm. You can almost put a dent in it with your fingernail. Now, to me, that's a good thing. Because it stays flexible for temperature variations and vibration like when chopping in a camping situation. I use a trick when I use it as the bonding agent that I should probably mention. I use very thin split leather as a shim between the handle slab and the tang. I soak this piece of leather in the hot, liquid Cutler's Resin until it's completely saturated and then stick it to the handle slab and drill the holes (or you can pre-drill the holes to make it easier) in the leather and pin the handle to the tang. A heat gun is handy for that process. Then I repeat the procedure for the other slab and dip the whole handle in the hot resin until it's completely saturated and immediately clamp it in a vice until it cools down a bit. I then pein the pins (do that while the resin is still a bit gummy and you will get a much better seal) until it takes over for the vice and c-clamps and re-heat the handle with a heat gun and clean up the excess resin. Yes, it's a sloppy procedure, but I haven't found a better way in all my fooling around. And that resin shines up real good with a wool cloth or piece of canvas. I use an old military wool sock. The resin also makes your shop smell nice :D As a side note I should mention that I use that handle method on micarta and other synthetic handle materials too. It just doesn't benefit the materials like it does wood, bone and stag.

The only downside is that you're adding another processing station to your shop. But it only takes up a small area because all you need is a countertop hotplate and a small saucepan. Once the resin cools down you can store it anywhare because it will stay put. If you want to know more, email me and I'll give you links to the sites where I buy my supplies. I'd do it here but I don't know if there's enough interest in this old method to go to the trouble.
 
Max,
At about what temperature will it melt? My only concern would be what would happen if left in the sheath on the dashboard of a truck?
I must admit, it is interesting and I am tempted to try it.

C Wilkins
 
C.L., I'm not sure just what the melting temp is on Cutler's Resin but it's pretty high. I'm guessing between 250 and 350 degrees. That's another good reason to use the leather shim under the handle slabs. Even if the resin got hot enough to melt, the leather acts as a wick and holds the resin in place till it cools down. Cool, huh? Besides, anyone that would leave a nice knife on their dash to be stolen or cooked in the hot sun needs a good hard whippin. If I find out about it I'll take em off my Christmas card list too! Here's those links. Sorry about that. I was just out of time earlier. I ran out of quarters!!! He he.

http://www.danburycandle.com/carnauba.html
for carnauba wax. I prefer type 3

http://www.jastown.com/
for pine pitch. Look under 'Yard goods and Bulk items'. Brewer's pitch is at the bottom of that page

http://www.glorybee.com/cgi-bin/checkitout/checkitout.cgi?glorybeeSTORE:CKIE:prod06-02150
for beeswax

Most of the sites are self explanatory. The Jastown link will blow your socks off if you're into reenacting or just cool stuff. The link for carnauba wax is the cheapest one I found in all my searching. That stuff is hard to find and even harder to purchase by the pound. Most places wanted me to buy it by the hundredweight! The beeswax that comes up in the browser is what I use. Unfiltered. The crap will settle to the bottom and it's the most natural stuff too. Have fun!
 
I've been using Danish Oil lately instead of boiled linseed oil. It dries much faster than linseed oil. If you do use linseed oil, get boiled linseed oil. It takes about a week to dry for each coat (as opposed to months for raw linseed oil, or so I've been told). I haven't had the chance to use my danish oil finished knives in any harsh conditions, but it really looks nice and I think it will hold up. Just do several thin coats.

Has anyone else used danish oil? What have your results been?

--Matt
 
I've used the Danish oil and I like it. I use it on furniture and knife handles and gunstocks. It does not get the gloss that Minwax Antique oil gets (I hate high gloss). There is a difference between putting a good finish on something and stablizing it. Danish oil will not stablize the wood.
 
Syl, how do you use your Thompson's water seal? Are you talking about "Thompson Water Seal X-Tra Clear Multi-Surface waterproofer"? Doesn't that stuff cause wood to gray? How long do you usually soak your woods in the mix?
 
I have been using the Minwax wood hardener for some time. I wouldn't cut it with acetone as it already has some in it. I do vacumn for 3- 4 days and then put light pressure on for 1 day.I don't add dye just in case i might want a differenr color on my next knife. I soak everything in it. I don't have a problem with the handles shrinking like I did before. I then sand to 400 and use a birchwood casey finish that has linseed oil in it. I let dry overnigt and it does dry not stay gummy.2-3 coats usually is enough. I then wax with minwax wax finish. I still am not getting the pores filled.
Take Care
TJ Smith
 
I got the idea from G.Osborn Chang, thats what he uses.
No you use the the one for sealing brick.

On maple & walnut 3/8 thick-- 2days,longer if I forget
about it.

TJ try wet sanding useing 400-600 grit with casey finish.
that should fill the grain
 
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