Lone Wolf Paul Knives

RKH

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I have 4 Paul knives, Presto, Prankster, Executive, and Lone Wolf Defender. The Prankster was sent back to Lone Wolf because it developed so much play in the lock and they fixed it and returned it quite fast. The problem is that all the other paul knives are developing play with just being opened and closed after a few dozen opening. I like the lock but I do not like the play that developes. Any ideas/ comments welcome.

RKH
 
Seems to be an ongoing problem with that design. Same thing happened to my father.


Cheers from the North
 
Thanks. I was hoping it was just me but I think it must be a problem when this type of lock is mass produced.

RKH
 
It's a well documented (at least on the internet) issue with that lock, which is sad, because the knives look fantastic.
 
You do have to send it in and they'll fix it. I asked how to adjust the pivot and they said they would prefer I do not mess with it. Sometimes the loctite gets loose or something.
 
The Prankster I sent in came back and was excellent but My other Paul locks are doing the same thing to a lesser degree. High dollar knives like these should not do this. BTW, these are good designs with nice edges/edge geometry and cut nicely.

RKH
 
Have one of the earlier Gerber / Pauls that I've owned for years and have even used a bit - the most solid lock up of any folder I've ever owned. Solid.No Play.
Handled another Paul II at the Badger knife show a couple of weeks back - this actually was smoother opening than mine - but equally solid in terms of lock up. Have probably handeled three or four other Paul II's over the years -some were pretty stiff in terms of opening - but they all locked up like the proverbial iron bar.
Think this is the current manufacturer's problem - not the design as such.
 
The Paul lock may have a bit of play in its design, that’s just the way it is.
However, in a small gents knife, do you really care? Cutting paper, string and light cardboard is really pushing the envelope for a folding knife……

Minor blade play is not as big a deal as many make it out to be.
The Paul lock is as reliable open, and closed, as any made today.

I have a small Ritter Presto folder. The locking system is totally unique and very cool.
It is probably the most intriguing lock design made. Once you learn how to open it in various positions, it never fails to elicit a “wow, that’s cool” response from onlookers, and, like an auto, they always want to try it.

I like the system.
 
My Defender came with some play as well though it was rather easy to adjust it myself. Vertical play is adjusted by fine tuning the stop pin and side-to-side play by tightening the non-button side of the lock. It's just a matter of careful adjustment, tighten too much and the knife becomes a two handed opener. :)
 
Rough Edges, what size is that torx screw? And are you saying one side controls play up and down and the other side of the same torx screw controls side to side play. Thanks.

RKH
 
Bearcut, I like the Paul mechanicism and that is why I own four Lone Wolf Paul knives. I owned an original and later production Gerber Paul and they were very well made but Gerber discontinued it because of close tolerances required. And thanks every one for the comments.

RKH
 
I have been collecting Paul knives for a while. I have them in pretty much all of their incarnations, from the first generation 2P version, then to the 2nd generation Paul II, and I also have a couple of the Lone Wolf models (including a Prankster, one of my favorites). Pretty much all of them, to a greater or lesser degree, developed a tiny bit of vertical play, especially if they get used or handled much. It's very tempting, especially with the larger/heavier Paul II, to 'flip' the knife open & closed while pinching the button between thumb & forefinger. That's pretty much guaranteed to loosen it up over time. At least some versions do have what appears to be a very small hex/torx setscrew set into the end of the backspacer, where it meets the blade in the open position, and I think there's even one on the inside face of the backspacer, to set the contact point in the closed position. I've never attempted to adjust either of them, mainly due to the lack of a wrench/driver small enough to fit it. I'm guessing, in the case of minor vertical play issues, these are probably what the manufacturer adjusts if/when knives are sent back to them.

A friend of mine bought one of the Paul II models at the same time as I did (at a gun/knife show back in the '90s). He used his quite a bit for EDC, and eventually allowed me to re-sharpen it for him. He'd shown me a while back, that the button lock mechanism had actually worked itself completely apart. In the process of cleaning the knife before I sharpened it, the thing did indeed come apart. So I was left with the dilemma of finding a way to fix it for good (hopefully). The mechanism consists of 4 pieces (including a spring under the button). Reassembling it is relatively straightforward, but the downside is once it comes apart the first time, it's tricky to get it to stay together after the fact. It'll keep unscrewing itself, unless it's properly glued/loctited in place. There are maybe 2 - 3 turns of narrow-pitch threading on the locking ring, so there's VERY LITTLE contact area for adhesive to hold onto. Additionally, if any adhesive touches any part other than the threads, you'll end up gluing it open/closed. There's a VERY FINE LINE between screwing it down too loose or too tight, also. The pivot will tend to tighten on it's own when closing, and loosen on opening due to the direction of the threads. Therefore, a middle-ground setting must be figured out before gluing everything in place.

I eventually ended up using Loctite's own version of super-glue (CA type), applied via the tip of a sewing needle to 'flow' the glue drop (only ONE drop) into the seam where the threads are. I'd tried blue, red and green Loctite and, oddly enough, none of them would hold the joint together. I've since learned that Loctite's holding strength is much weaker on stainless steel, per their own specs. The 'super glue' actually worked much better, to my surprise.

The thing that really surprised me, when I first inspected the dis-assembled parts, was that I couldn't see any trace of adhesive or Loctite anywhere in the threads. Not sure what initially held it all together before it came apart. Don't know what kind of 'magic' was used during manufacture.
 
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Rough Edges, what size is that torx screw? And are you saying one side controls play up and down and the other side of the same torx screw controls side to side play. Thanks.

RKH

The screw is a T-5 though I had mistakenly used a T-4 at first. Luckily, I didn't strip it. :o

As for side to side play, that occurs when the button lock loosens up as it tends to do, especially with the "pinch and flip" type of use. As OwE said, it is a very fine thread on the locking ring anad just a minute amount of loosening can cause a bit of play. What I did to fix this is to grip the locking button (for lack of knowledge of the proper terminology) on the side opposite that marked Paul in the photo below and tightened it a very small amount, well under 1/8 of a turn. I found that it really doesn't take much at all to get rid of the side-to-side play, or even to tighten the knife enough to make it a two handed opener for that matter.
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As for the vert play, it's as simple as adjusting the stop pin above the button lock until the desired state is reached. It does take a good bit of patience though, at first I actually made mine worse.

For me, the horizontal play is more important and, luckily, it is very easy to fix.


OwE- I don't know if you have seen this but, if not, it might help with reassembly. Paul Axial Lock Patent
 
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Rough edges and obessed with edges THANK YOU SO MUCH for your kind and informative information. I spoke with Doug Hutchison at Lone Wolf and he said it was a T5 torx. Very nice guy. They took the play out of my Prankster and did not even charge for return postage. BTW, Doug said the reason Gerber discontinued the 2nd generation Paul knife was due to the fact there supplier raised prices on the parts for the Paul lock. Thank you gentleman for all your comments.

RKH
 
The screw is a T-5 though I had mistakenly used a T-4 at first. Luckily, I didn't strip it. :o

As for side to side play, that occurs when the button lock loosens up as it tends to do, especially with the "pinch and flip" type of use. As OwE said, it is a very fine thread on the locking ring anad just a minute amount of loosening can cause a bit of play. What I did to fix this is to grip the locking button (for lack of knowledge of the proper terminology) on the side marked Paul in the photo below and tightened it a very small amount, well under 1/8 of a turn. I found that it really doesn't take much at all to get rid of the side-to-side play, or even to tighten the knife enough to make it a two handed opener for that matter.

That's essentially what I found, although making it stay tight was the real problem for me (hence the glue).

As for the vert play, it's as simple as adjusting the stop pin above the button lock until the desired state is reached.

This looks like an improvement over the Paul II. There was no such quick & easy adjustment for it, only the TINY setscrews in the backspacer (much, much smaller than T-5).

OwE- I don't know if you have seen this but, if not, it might help with reassembly. Paul Axial Lock Patent

Yep. I've seen it. I looked at this after the fact, it basically confirmed what I'd figured out the HARD WAY ;), but that was OK. I tend to learn more if I beat my head against it for a while. :p
 
Rough edges and obessed with edges THANK YOU SO MUCH for your kind and informative information. I spoke with Doug Hutchison at Lone Wolf and he said it was a T5 torx. Very nice guy. They took the play out of my Prankster and did not even charge for return postage. BTW, Doug said the reason Gerber discontinued the 2nd generation Paul knife was due to the fact there supplier raised prices on the parts for the Paul lock. Thank you gentleman for all your comments.

RKH

You're welcome. It's good to hear that Lone Wolf is treating you right on this.

That friend of mine, for whom I sharpened his Paul II, also has a Prankster. It's missing a scale screw, so I might have to give Lone Wolf a call to see if they'll send a replacement for it. He'd asked me about them a while back, and I didn't have any direct knowledge about Lone Wolf's customer service. Sounds like they might be more helpful than some others...
 
Rough edges and obessed with edges THANK YOU SO MUCH for your kind and informative information. I spoke with Doug Hutchison at Lone Wolf and he said it was a T5 torx. Very nice guy. They took the play out of my Prankster and did not even charge for return postage. BTW, Doug said the reason Gerber discontinued the 2nd generation Paul knife was due to the fact there supplier raised prices on the parts for the Paul lock. Thank you gentleman for all your comments.

RKH
My pleasure and I hope I helped. :) ETA: I just realized that I got my sides mixed up in my above post. It is the side with the button release on it (opposite where it says Paul) that you can tighten or loosen to adjust for blade play and knife opening.
You're welcome. It's good to hear that Lone Wolf is treating you right on this.

That friend of mine, for whom I sharpened his Paul II, also has a Prankster. It's missing a scale screw, so I might have to give Lone Wolf a call to see if they'll send a replacement for it. He'd asked me about them a while back, and I didn't have any direct knowledge about Lone Wolf's customer service. Sounds like they might be more helpful than some others...

As RKH's experience seems to indicate, I've heard nothing but good things about Lone Wolf's customer service and even better things about the company's owner. Between that and being made entirely in the USA, I fully intend to get more LW knives. Of course, it doesn't hurt that most all of them are purty as well. :thumbup:
 
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Thank you for all the comments and helping me to expand my knowledge on the Paul knives. I am impressed with Lone Wolf's custome service. I emailed them for a new catalogue and they responded quickly and said they would send one out as soon as they are available about 2 weeks. I may try some non Paul knives from them. This is a good company to deal with and as some one alse said they are American made and they are beautiful knives with excellent materials and construction.

RKH
 
I like my Lone Wolf Blackfoot a lot. Unfortunately, they have raised the price on it since it won Best Value Knife at Blade 2009. I got it for $77, and now a lot of places sell it for a bit over $100. I think it's worth the new price, but it's not the super value it once was.
 
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