Looking for an ID Crucible Cast Steel Anvil Logo

jblyttle said:
After cleaning this 2lb head I saw a mark that I don't recognize. I clearly see "crucible" and "steel" with what I think is "cast" between them. Under that is a clear anvil stamp and the word "mark" to it's right.

IMG_20180606_185542 by Justin Lyttle, on Flickr
IMG_20180606_185639 by Justin Lyttle, on Flickr
IMG_20180606_185707 by Justin Lyttle, on Flickr
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No idea what RT stands for.
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Looks like it's the Riverside Tool Co. trademark, registered by the "Hardware Buyers Association" based in New York. They re-registered the anvil trademark (with RT) in 1907 to cover edge tools including axes. Which axe manufacturer actually made the axes for them is anyone's guess?


From ToolArchives.com:
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Hardware Buyers Association - Seal with "The Riverside Tool Co. New York" around the Outside, and an Anvil at Center
Registered by Samuel A. Bigelow, identified as a "Trustee" of the Association. First use by Mr. Bigelow and predecessors listed as William L. Carrigan, Charles W. Gause, and Harry C. Marshall. Listed as Tool Handles for Axes, Hatchets, Hammers and Chisels.

Re-registered under TM #063889 on 7/9/1907 for Edge Tools including Axes**, Hatchets**, Chisels**, Saws**, Bits**, Boring Tools, Augers**, Snips

Products So Marked:
Tool Handles**
Tin Snips**
Axes**
Hatchets**
Chisels**
Saws**
Bits**
Boring Tools**
Augers**
Trademark Company:
Hardware Buyers Association
First Use Reported:
Sunday, November 1, 1891
Original Filing Date:
Wednesday, March 20, 1907
Original Registration Date:
Tuesday, July 9, 1907
Link to Record:
Seal with "The Riverside Tool Co. New York" around the Outside, and an Anvil at Center

from http://toolarchives.com/trademark-browser?page=10
 
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Steve Tall said:
Looks like it's from the Riverside Tool Co., a "Hardware Buyers Association" based in New York. They re-registered the anvil trademark (with RT) in 1907 to cover edge tools including axes. Which axe manufacturer actually made the axes for them is anyone's guess?
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If I had to choose I would go with Blood Axe Co> Knickerbacker Axe Co.> and A. A. & T. Co
 
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The Bigelow named in the trademark registration is the same Samuel A. Bigelow from the Bigelow & Dowse Co. These catalog pages (said to be from the 1920s) show a "Riverside" axe as one of the B&D brands, along with Blue Jacket and B&D Special. There are also a bunch of Knot Klipper axes (same price as the Riverside) and a True American, which were brands from Mann. So perhaps the Riverside axes (and other B&D brands) were made by Mann, at some point at least. However, the catalog pages also show a Chip Slinger axe, a Kelly brand.

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jblyttle said:
Man, the quality and the prices...
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Lots of beautiful connies in those pages...I still need to find :cool:
I know I have seen a chip slinger recently ;)
I will be on the look and ready if I stumble upon any of these beauties :thumbsup:

Steve Tall said:
The Bigelow named in the trademark registration is the same Samuel A. Bigelow from the Bigelow & Dowse Co. These catalog pages (said to be from the 1920s) show a "Riverside" axe as one of the B&D brands, along with Blue Jacket and B&D Special. There are also a bunch of Knot Klipper axes (same price as the Riverside) and a True American, which were brands from Mann. So perhaps the Riverside axes (and other B&D brands) were made by Mann, at some point at least. However, the catalog pages also show a Chip Slinger axe, a Kelly brand.

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Great work sir:thumbsup::cool:
 
The Hardware Buyers' Association (which registered the Riverside Tool Co. anvil trademark) had the Bigelow & Dowse connection, but it was also composed of other hardware companies including Belknap (Louisville, KY) and Richards & Conover (Kansas City, MO), among others.

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from Hardware, January 25, 1896

In 1902, the companies decided to 'discontinue combination buying".

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from The Iron Age, October 2, 1902
 
Why did I go with Blood Axe?
When you search for Riverside tools axes you will find maker's marks:
extra cast steel or crucible cast steel
When you search for extra cast steel Blood Axe pops up
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https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/isaiah-blood-ballston-ny-shingling-75219037
Riverside hatchet has not been sold so no link just picture
I would imagine shipment from Ballston, NY down Hudson River was very cheap
When Knickerbacker factory went up in flames the axes were sourced from Glassport, Pa
For some reason when I look at Justin's axe I see similarity to Fulton Clipper's cheeks (A. A. & T. Co) so there is chance that early models of that axe were produced by Jamestown Axe Co
https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/lets-id-some-axe-heads.1278654/#post-14651558
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Blood Axe Co> Knickerbacker Axe Co.> and A. A. & T. Co
Jamestown Axe Co.
 
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