Looking for TORX set that is over sized.

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alan0354

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I notice for over 15 knives the the screws size is NOT consistence even though most use #6 for screws on the handle. Then #8 for Pivot. BUT different knives fits slightly differently, some want a little bigger #6 and some doesn't.

I ended up having 3 individual sets of TORX that are slightly different in size and I resort to use the best one that fit the screws. It work out well.......UNTIL my last knife.

I just bought the Steel Will Barghest F37M-03, ALL my TORX #6 are too small!!! It won't turn the screws. I try #7, it's too big even using the smallest #7. It's literally in between like 6.5!!! Steel Will is NOT a cheap brand, I paid $70 for this. I have 3 other Steel Will knives, the screws are all quite standard size, only this one is different.

My question is do you have any suggestion for a set of TORX that is quite oversized.....That is each of the wrench are bigger than normal size. How do you deal with this kind of problem? Why it's like this, I never seen anything with other stuffs, only in folding knives!!! I really like the knife, but if I cannot find a set of TORX that work, I have to return it because sooner or later, I have to open it for cleaning or fixing.

thanks
 
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It could be they aren't torx head but one of the very similar types. There are other specialty bits that are very close these days. Maybe contact the company and double check what type they use.
 
i am wondering how many Torx T6. I have torx from Ks tools A, Ks tools B, Fasttech, Proxxon, Ifixit, xiaomi, but not sure if they all include a T6. T6 is pretty small!
 
I don't believe there are any such things as fractional torx drivers (like half sizes). I've never seen any, and I've looked.

The screws used in your knife weren't made for NASA, so it doesn't surprise me if there might be some slack between screw and driver, it happens.

A Chinese knife that retails for $70 actually costs a lot less to produce, and the quality of the screws isn't always a high priority for the maker. So I wouldn't expect a high degree of precision with the screws.

Also, although many knife enthusiasts like to take their knives apart, that's not something that knifemakers tend to care about or consider during design, assembly, or their choice of screws (with rare exceptions).
 
I'm not assuming your knife has Torx Plus fasteners, but I've had a few over the years that have.
I've also found that a Torx Plus bit will sometimes work when regular Torx are worn.
Also Torx bits will wear after a while so it's a good idea to replace those to avoid damaging fasteners.
Here's an older thread:

Which Knife Makers Are Using Torx Plus?

I picked up a Hinderer Half Track late last year and was messing about with it, taking out one of the rear posts to see if the handle would be strong enough with just one to allow me to thread a lanyard through the vacated holes. I got out my Torx bits, found one that fit, but had trouble...
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Barman1 said:
I'm not assuming your knife has Torx Plus fasteners, but I've had a few over the years that have.
I've also found that a Torx Plus bit will sometimes work when regular Torx are worn.
Also Torx bits will wear after a while so it's a good idea to replace those to avoid damaging fasteners.
Here's an older thread:

Which Knife Makers Are Using Torx Plus?

I picked up a Hinderer Half Track late last year and was messing about with it, taking out one of the rear posts to see if the handle would be strong enough with just one to allow me to thread a lanyard through the vacated holes. I got out my Torx bits, found one that fit, but had trouble...
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I think you hit it. I took a picture:


Looks like a TORX Plus to me.

Problem is it's HARD to find TORX PLUS bit set. If you have any suggestion, I am all ears. Seems like even if I typed in "Torx plus" with quotation, they still came out with just regular torx bits. I tried ebay, amazon and even google. I only found one or two and very expensive.
 
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alan0354 said:
I think you hit it. I took a picture:


Looks like a TORX Plus to me.

Problem is it's HARD to find TORX PLUS bit set. If you have any suggestion, I am all ears. Seems like even if I typed in "Torx plus" with quotation, they still came out with just regular torx bits. I tried ebay, amazon and even google. I only found one or two and very expensive.
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Try McMaster Carr
 
alan0354 said:
I think you hit it. I took a picture:


Looks like a TORX Plus to me.

Problem is it's HARD to find TORX PLUS bit set. If you have any suggestion, I am all ears. Seems like even if I typed in "Torx plus" with quotation, they still came out with just regular torx bits. I tried ebay, amazon and even google. I only found one or two and very expensive.
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I bought a Wiha set 71692 a few years ago.
They're in stock in a few places for around $30.
I'm one of those folks that has every tool imaginable so no matter the cost I have to grab it.;)
 
Looks like you found your answer already but I’ve stripped a T20 before and since they typically taper up to the shank size I filled the stripped tip away until in had an approximate T25. Then cleaned the splines with some needle files and Bobs your uncle.
 
3fifty7 said:
Looks like you found your answer already but I’ve stripped a T20 before and since they typically taper up to the shank size I filled the stripped tip away until in had an approximate T25. Then cleaned the splines with some needle files and Bobs your uncle.
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Yup.
I've "freshened" up a few worn Torx bits as well by grinding a thousandth or two then a quick touch on a wire wheel to buff the rough edges.
Now I just keep a few extra of the popular sizes around that I may or may not have pilfered from my uncle Bob.;)
 
I solve the problem. The Torx tips are all tapered, so if it is too small for the screw, I just grind it shorter, then it becomes slightly over sized!!! I just secured the torx on a vise, use a diamond Dramel bit to just grind the tip down a little, fits now.
 
tiguy7 said:
How to find out if you’re dealing with RED LocTite.View attachment 2003652
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They should not use Torx #6 screws, use #7 or #8 will solve all the problems.

This one is a little hard to fix, the twist is higher, you have to grind a lot and it might get too big when you grind out the twist and won't fit the intended screw. Luckily the twist on mine is at the tip, I just need to grind a little off and fixed it.
 
alan0354 said:
They should not use Torx #6 screws, use #7 or #8 will solve all the problems.

This one is a little hard to fix, the twist is higher, you have to grind a lot and it might get too big when you grind out the twist and won't fit the intended screw. Luckily the twist on mine is at the tip, I just need to grind a little off and fixed it.
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The TORX Recess should be proportional to the screw size. An oversized recess could weaken the head. An undersized recess can be stripped because the screw necessitates too much torque to break it loose. I have had little trouble with smaller TORX screws which are not RED LOCTITED. The pocket clip screws in this photo are #0X80TPI and the TORX recess is #5. The thumb stud screw has a #3 TORX recess.View attachment 2005696
 
tiguy7 said:
The TORX Recess should be proportional to the screw size. An oversized recess could weaken the head. An undersized recess can be stripped because the screw necessitates too much torque to break it loose. I have had little trouble with smaller TORX screws which are not RED LOCTITED. The pocket clip screws in this photo are #0X80TPI and the TORX recess is #5. The thumb stud screw has a #3 TORX recess.View attachment 2005696
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The screws are very inconsistent in different knives. I already have 3 sets of Torx, one particular small, one middle and one wider. Still the Steel Will Barghest screws are bigger!!! I have to grind to fit.

I gave up on the last two screws, the Locktight is too tough, I don't want to risk stripping the screws. I manage to open it enough to do all the work I want to do. So problem solved.
 
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