"man survives cougar attack by killing it"

Saw a few minutes of a program, "When animals attack" the other day, on TLC, I believe.
A mountain Lion came into some peoples cabin, killed their dog and dragged it into the forest. By this time the two couples are up trying to figure what to do(this happened in CA). The Lion comes back and attacks all of them, the men are wrestling with it, one guy gets his thumb bitten off, when the wife of thumbless picks up, by her description, a bread knife, jams it between the Cougars ribs and moves it all about(her description), until it stopped moving.
Turned out it had rabies, and they all had to undergo treatments for three months.
Exiting night for them. This sort of thing is becoming more commonplace in CA, as they are a "protected species. I believe there are now, between 6-8000 of them in the state. :eek:
 
>"looks like a buck to me"

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I don't think so. I believe it's a Schrade Uncle Henry.
 
It doesn't seem to have a lock either.
3" blade.. not bad.
And guess what? probably some dumb Animal rights group are muttering right now because the man saved his life. :rolleyes:
 
Take a look at the replies section on the page that the post links to. There are already people defending the lion !
 
I got a quick look at it while watching the news. It had a backlock for sure. Looked like a buck but I'm not sure about that one.
 
Thats one reason I carry a large folding knife when out walking is protection against dog attacks.I would hopefully feed the dog my left arm and cut his throat with the right one,at lest thats the plan hopefully it would work out that way;) The man is lucky to have had a knife with him and the will,skill to use it hats off to him.:)
 
Man, what is wrong with these reporters? How could they possibly neglect to indicate the make of the knife??? :rolleyes:

I don't think it's a Buck knife, but it's hard to tell from the photo.
 
Well we should just bring those ppl to the forest and let them be cougar food. Lets see if they fight back or they are willing to a punching bag for the pussy cat.
 
Great story. Congratulations and a speedy recovery to our hero !! I read about a third of the comments, and selected out a few, mostly "Sandra G" and people replying to her. I even found a friend of mine who posted !! and do our Burnaby guys know this Benton Lam?

Here they are ...

Whilst of course I'm happy that the man who was attacked, was able to defend himself, the fact remains we humans are encroaching on more and more of their habitat, chopping down the forests, poisoning the lakes and streams.How would we react to some one taking away our homes and food supplies, in much the same way I should think. Sandra G

Come on, Sandra G. I rather doubt that cougars act based on reasoned analyses of long-term habitat implications such as you suggest. Rather, they are acting on instinct. But yours is also an instinctive response, typical of city folk who don't know how and why cougars act, nor how and why folks in rural areas must act.

Get real Sandra, where do you suppose we build? hey got an idea how about we move people in your space? Way to go Mr. glad you survived! Also glad to hear there are no charges considered.... brothers put down a grizzly as it charged them and they nearly did time, it could have killed them.

Heh Rick, you took the words right out of my mouth in your comments to S. We lost a full size border collie to a cougar near our house. The collie was defending our other farm animals..we are surrounded by bush-no way was she pushed out of her area she was crowding us. There is a time when the animal is just in the wrong place and we have to defend ourselves from them. I say I hope the man heals soon..that would have been quite a fight!!!

Sandra G. from Calgary - have you ever been to northern Vancouver Island? I wouldn't say that the population is exactly exploding up there. Port Alice is about the same size as it was the first time I saw it 25 years ago. Trust a city person to give a wild animal human characteristics.

I think Sandra's idea of retaliatory attacks by cougars is far fetched to say the least but I do believe that encroachment on their habitat will result in more clashes between humans and cougars.

Sandra. are you suggesting that humans have always lived in the cities?

Sandra G:Maybe you should step into the shoes of the person who's full of fear because the cougar was attacking him. I normally agree with people who tells us to try very hard not to disturb the wilderness, but this is a case that there's no provocation by the man and he was attacked. If that was a person, even the Criminal Code would protect you for killing him because he's armed and trying to kill you. I know I have my pocket knife in my pocket, but somehow the laws are very ambiguous about this. I think if he didn't put it in a sheath on the belt, he was technically violating the law. I couldn't imagine what would happen to that poor guy if somehow he was not allowed to have such an item on his person. I beg you people who are extremely fearful of knives and guns to review this situation. These are legitimate reasons that a person should be allowed to have a knife to protect himself and the laws should be straighten out. Remember, in the animal kingdom, it's the strong eat the weak. -- Benton Lam,: Burnaby, BC

(( Say, calyth and jjcoolay, do you know this guy ?? :) ))

Sandra sure has y'all up in arms!!! Having spent many hours in Vancouver Island vast outdoors hiking and biking, the sudden appearance by cougars is always on my mind. I say good for Rambo as Peter puts it. 61 and able to fend off a cougar is impressive to say the least.

Jim, the last time I checked, humans were animals. In fact, I take exception to your statement that wild animals have been here longer than we have. According to the current scientific information available, it seems modern homo sapiens has been creeping around for at least 100,000 years and hominids in general have been around for well over a million. Yours (and others) apparent tendency to transpose humanity as something other than part of the natural order of this world is, in my opinion, at the root of lots of the problems we have in society and in ecology. The gentleman was strolling along in nature (of which we are a part and have every right to be) and was attacked by another one of nature's creatures. He naturally himself by using his selective advantages of a clever brain and tool use (halmarks of the homo sapiens). End of story. Now, I'm all about preservation, but we have our own needs as a species and should feel no guilt over using our brains to manage resources.

Big deal, the cougar was about 100 lbs under weight. I guess it would be like fighting off a house cat. This is to people like Jim the accountant, get a life man is raping the environment for profit and Canada is the worst. To bad the cougar did not come out on top. -- Diesel

Diesel, get real. First off, I've spent my life in the back country and I have NEVER seen a 200 pound cougar, so this beast WASN'T 100 lbs underweight. Average full grown island cats are 110 pounds. I guess the narcolepsy will determine its state of health. Second, cougars are semi-specialized predators. A lack of deer is felt by them before bears, wolves or other predators. They are paying the Darwinistic price of being unable to adapt to changing conditions. We ARE already protecting them; they are certainly NOT in danger of extinction for the next 100 years. You seem to be suggesting that the old man should have checked to see if the cat was well fed before stabbing it. People who make statements like that are people who really haven't spent much time in our forests! Hats off to this brave man who fended off a desperate predator...morons who suggest they would be happier if the cougar had won, have never lost a friend or relative to a bear or cougar.

conifergreen: unfortunately the damage is done. Anything that you carry with the intent for self defense - baseball bat, a sharpened stick, a knife, a gun, a pen even - is illegal considered by law. The law says that anything that's designed to harm and the person carrying it intended to use it as such is illegal. In fact, if you carry your Swiss Army Knife and a cop saw that and you say it's for self defence, he/she can take it away from you and possibly book you in to jail. It's all in the Criminal Code. I bring out the point that it's time that these senseless laws should be made clear. People should be allow to have self defence and people should be allowed to have the tools to do so. If they choose to use such tools as assault weapons then they absolutely deserved to be in jail. "Think about it - all God's Critters have knives" - Spyderco (Pocket knife company) Ad We are the only ones who aren't really born with one. – Benton Lam again – good guy !!

Conifergreen is completely correct about the stinking liberals and their suicidal ways. I think everyone should go back and acknowledge the brilliant things he wrote. Oh and the knife, if it's a Buck, which it sure does look like, then it probably is a Buck 112 Ranger. – G1518 (( I know this guy !! he’s another one of us knife knuts ))
 
There was a kid in McBride, BC who was hunting and attacked by a Cougar - he shot it once in the head dropping it, he wasn't charged at all.

That Sandra G. has no clue about living in relative wilderness, besides, it's a Predator, it understands the food chain, sometimes it's on top and most of the time we are. That's life. It was a fair one on one fight, nothing to complain about for either party. :)
 
Esav: Benton Lam is yours truly ;)
I must try hard to change the stupid laws in here.
Read my comments to that Diesel guy. I think he like to be cougar chow anytime.
 
Originally posted by Angus McGunnigl
I live in this area and just got a very good look at the knife. It's a Schrade Old Timer Lockback. It has the small Old Timer plate on the side.

Helluva story.

Looked just like this knife:

www.schrade.com/p124.cfm

I think the URL you want is www.schradeknives.com/p124.cfm

The cougar knife has brass on both ends of the handle. The only Schrade like that is the 7OT "cave bear", which is 5" closed, probably 4" or so of blade.
The cop said that the Vancouver knife was about 3" or 7.5cm long. Was he underestimating? Or is this an older model?
 
>"Was he underestimating?"

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That's my guess. Let's face it, few besides us knife knuts care. He probably gave the knife back to the guy at the hospital, or gave it to the guy's wife, later telling reporters "Oh, it was about a three-inch knife." What does that mean, anyway? Three-inches closed? Three-inch blade? <i>Roughly</i> a three-inch blade? It's not like the officer had to log anything for trial evidence. Even in Canada the cat's family can't sue, right? Right?
 
Originally posted by calyth
Esav: Benton Lam is yours truly ;)
Congratulations!

You wrote very well. Actually, most of the responses were pretty good, even the dumb ones had a clear and occassionally reasonable point of view. I wonder what the paper might have declined to print, though.

By the way, one of my other forums mentioned the story, and a follow-up - http://www.canada.com/vancouver/vancouversun/story.asp?id={5BDD4970-8DEF-44A2-B3A4-5463FDD19BF3}

Oops! Bad link. Edited to add the story:

Vancouver Island is top cougar country

Jeremy Sandler
Vancouver Sun
Saturday, August 03, 2002

Vancouver Island is the most dangerous place in British Columbia for cougar attacks on humans.

On Thursday, a cougar jumped Dave Parker from behind while he walked along an industrial road two kilometres south of Port Alice. The attack, which Parker survived by slicing the animal's throat with his pocket knife, occurred near to another remarkable struggle between a cougar and human last year.

In February 2001, Port Alice mill worker Elliot Cole used his lunch pail, a bicycle and his bare fists to rescue American tug boat captain Jon Nostdal from the clutches of a hungry cougar, who pounced on Nostdal as he was riding his bicycle in the area.

While cougar maulings are rare -- there have been just 71 such attacks reported in the province since 1900 -- more than half of them have occurred on Vancouver Island. In June, Chuck Hilsabeck of Reno, Nev. rescued his eight-year-old daughter Rita from the jaws of a hungry cat on a beach off Port McNeill. The girl, who was on a kayaking trip with her family, escaped with minor injuries.

Lance Sundquist, a regional enforcement manager with the water, land and air protection ministry, said 39 of the 71 attacks, including five deaths, happened on the island, which at 31,300 square kilometres in size is a fraction of B.C.'s total land mass of 947,800 square kilometres.

Sundquist said one factor in the fact that a higher percentage of attacks occur on Vancouver Island is that with somewhere between 800 and 1,200 cats (they are notoriously difficult to count), the island has a much higher cougar density than any other part of B.C. An estimated total of 4,000 to 6,000 cougars live in the province.

Another reason is that on the island, particularly around north island communities, there is no buffer zone between cities and towns and the neighbouring wilderness.

"There's a lot of underbrush right next door to the communities where you would expect to find cougars living," he said.

The frequency of cougars attacks has increased over the last three decades, Sundquist said.

"Since 1970, we have seen an increase in the number of attacks that have occurred," he said. "I think that could be somewhat attributed to better reporting -- that's always something that you have to look at -- and, possibly, the other factor may be related to more activity by humans in the outdoors; more people out recreating in the wilderness areas, et cetera."

Cougars are known to feed on any number of animals, including elk, raccoons, rodents, domestic pets and farm animals, but their primary food source is deer.

While Sundquist admitted the island's deer population has declined in recent years, he didn't think a lack of deer made hungry cougars attack people.

"I wouldn't want to draw that linkage, because we've seen in years in fact where the deer populations have been very healthy where there have been incidents of attacks on people as well," Sundquist said.

Other cougar attacks that made headlines include a 1994 incident in which John Musselman saved his then seven-year-old son Kyle after a cougar ripped off most of the boy's scalp in an attack outside the family's Gold River home on Vancouver Island.

In August 1996, Cindy Parolin of Tulameen, saved her six-year-old son from a cougar attack near Princeton. But while two of the boy's siblings carried him to safety, the cougar attacked and killed Parolin, 36.

Other cougar-related fatalities in B.C. since 1949:

- June 1949: A cougar mauls Dominic Taylor, 7, of Kyuquot, 150 kilometres north of Tofino, while he walked on the beach. The cat dragged the child into the bush and was later scared off by the boy's father, who heard his son's cries for help, but was too late to save him.

- January 1971: Lawrence Wells, 12, is killed by a cougar while playing with his sisters near his Lytton home. The boy's father shoots the cougar, but Lawrence is already dead.

- July 1976: Matilda May Samuel, 7, of Port Alberni is killed while picking berries along a gravel road near Gold River.

- May 1988: Jesse Sky Bergman, 9, is visiting his father near Tofino when his badly mauled body is found. Pawprints indicated the cat had stalked the boy.

- May 1992: Schoolboy Jeremy Williams, 7, of Kyuquot is attacked and killed by a yearling female cougar in front of horrified classmates as he plays on the edge of the school yard.

© Copyright 2002 Vancouver Sun
 
Good for him.

I am surprised that he hasn't been arrested for carrying a gravity knife. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Shootist: I don't think that Shrade would be considered gravity knife. But I assume it doesn't have a pocket clip. If our hero didn't put it in a belt sheath clearly visible by the public, but rather have the knife in the pocket, it could be considered that he have a concealed weapon and could be charged.
I think the cops won't do that because the guy was clearly doing it for self-defence.
Esav: Thanks ;) I gotta try hard to change the stupid laws
 
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